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		<title>By: Free Markets Are Regulated &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Markets Are Regulated &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 04:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the usefulness of the term “capitalism” to describe the free market (see this and this). Here I’d like to explore how the terms “regulation” and “deregulation” are used and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Smashing Capitalism in Caesar&#8217;s Palace &#124; Austro-Athenian Empire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smashing Capitalism in Caesar&#8217;s Palace &#124; Austro-Athenian Empire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 23:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Steven Horwitz&#8217;s comments, parts one and two (and see also this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2010-05-07 &#8211; Bits &#38; Pieces on Free Market Anti-Capitalism: two meanings of &#8220;markets&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2010-05-07 &#8211; Bits &#38; Pieces on Free Market Anti-Capitalism: two meanings of &#8220;markets&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 18:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and What&#8217;s in a name?, Roderick Long 2006-04-08 and 2008-06-27, Steve Horwitz 2009-12-31 and 2010-01-07, Gary Chartier 2010-01-19, Kevin Carson 2010-03-06, Sheldon Richman 2010-03-02 and 2010-04-16, etc. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is the Name “Capitalism” Worth Keeping? Part I &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is the Name “Capitalism” Worth Keeping? Part I &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 2. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Hollering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hollering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I like liberalism.  I think we should take it back.  (No, seriously)</description>
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		<title>By: Michael M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are making so complicated something that isn&#039;t! If you wish to find an alternative term, why not simply use what was in use prior to capitalism?

Adam Smith called the system he was trying to describe the, &#039;Natural System of Liberty&#039;. Political economy knew the position that we might call capitalism as, &#039;Market Liberalism&#039;. Liberalism itself is a label for the goal we all pursue.

The past can serve our needs in this area, there is no need to go inventing new terms in some Orwellian attempt to control the words people are using.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are making so complicated something that isn&#8217;t! If you wish to find an alternative term, why not simply use what was in use prior to capitalism?</p>
<p>Adam Smith called the system he was trying to describe the, &#8216;Natural System of Liberty&#8217;. Political economy knew the position that we might call capitalism as, &#8216;Market Liberalism&#8217;. Liberalism itself is a label for the goal we all pursue.</p>
<p>The past can serve our needs in this area, there is no need to go inventing new terms in some Orwellian attempt to control the words people are using.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Open Market and Closed Market, but like Open Source, it needs a definition that we can all agree on.  I can host a website, but does anybody want to take a crack at writing a definitional document?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Open Market and Closed Market, but like Open Source, it needs a definition that we can all agree on.  I can host a website, but does anybody want to take a crack at writing a definitional document?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hlavac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hlavac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 05:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have long been opposed to the word &quot;Capitalism&quot; -- argued against it as early as the 1970s in high school, continued through all my college economics courses -- and even my Socialist theory professor at NYU had to agree that even Communists had to pull together &quot;capital&quot; to create the state enterprise. He was a bit taken aback by that -- but agreed to the concept that a USA steel mill had just as much need for capital as a Soviet one (it was the 1980s, which was a stark period of contrast) to make vast quantities of steel -- after constant reminders.

Not thrilled with &quot;Socialism&quot; either -- for the USA, in a Toqueville sort of way, is very social. Indeed, we seem to have more social clubs and more socializing than so called Socialism, which ironically restricted people from socializing. Again, it was the Socialist theory professor who had to accede that point -- grudgingly.

As I&#039;m not thrilled either with &quot;market economy.&quot; All economies have markets -- even two traditional, or primitive, people have a market -- my arrow for your curare poison, for instance. Soviet Russia had a market. As did Medieval France. As does the US. Markets are just where things are bought and sold, traded and exchanged, as is required for all since no one can make all they need. Now it depends on who gets to say what one can buy or sell, and when and where, and who gets to accumulate capital and who gets to keep the gain required for a successful enterprise of any sort, big or small. 

Voluntary Market doesn&#039;t seem to fit the bill either, for in a sense Marxists argue that all enter into the system voluntarily by the social compact -- and that capitalism is &quot;forced&quot; by laws set by elites. And at the time Marx wrote Das Kapital it was hereditary landed aristocracy that wielded a lot of the force, though not all, in England&#039;s market. 

Nor does Coerced market seem to fit -- for even Soviet Russia didn&#039;t make you buy something, or sell something, you just had limited choices. While the Health care bill under consideration now would coerce you to buy insurance, whether you want to or not. And it would coerce the seller to sell to any coerced buyer regardless of price or earnings or expenses. Which stand coercion and the system supposedly for it or against it on its head -- and takes markets beyond where few have gone before. 

Nor is there anything wrong about workers owning the means of their productive activities -- no reason why General Motors&#039; unions couldn&#039;t have bought at any time a controlling or complete interest in the company and run it for themselves. I believe Delta Airlines is owned to some degree by its union. Small businesses with just two or three partners as employees are both worker and boss -- which are they? 

Further -- both so called capitalist and socialist economies have &quot;profit.&quot; That socialists want to call it &quot;gain in the five year plan&quot; to avoid &quot;profit&quot; is just a product of politics and semantics -- again, the Socialist theory professor couldn&#039;t quite get around that, though he tried. Even &quot;non-profits&quot; have &quot;profit&quot; -- it&#039;s just not taxed, but the term &quot;untaxed company&quot; is not politically palatable. No gain, much pain, after all -- so non-profits make a profit but call it something else. Semantics again. 

Free market sounds too libertine, and without regulations of any kind, thus scary to many. Controlled markets are exactly what, say, Walmart does -- indeed, they are very good at controlling their portion of the market. 

Same with planned -- Ford is a very planned company, even years in advance of product launch. But so were Russian car companies just as planned. 

On the other hand -- Open Markets fits well -- for anyone is open to join or not join the marketplace in any capacity. And Closed Markets is the opposite -- for no one can enter the marketplace without permission or restriction from the powers that be and you have no other option then the choices offered, even if you have a better idea -- the old &quot;we&#039;ll pretend to pay you, you&#039;ll pretend to work, and you can buy sausage on Tuesday.&quot; 

Open Markets do allow for a Closed Market for certain products, such as sewer services, or highways -- while Closed Markets don&#039;t allow for anyone to just set up shop of any sort to sell anything. 

And those are the terms I use as much as possible (yes, I lapse.) 

Open is just that -- opportunity at the door so to speak, and you can open it as you please -- short of fraud and theft.
Closed is just that -- you are locked out or in depending on political power -- and fraud, aka corruption, is part of the equation. 

And few words are as simple, and unencumbered with baggage, and free from ideological taint as &quot;open&quot; and &quot;closed.&quot; Which is the goal - to make it so simple that an eighth grader can conceptualize the options -- open opportunity or closed opportunity - such a simple choice, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long been opposed to the word &#8220;Capitalism&#8221; &#8212; argued against it as early as the 1970s in high school, continued through all my college economics courses &#8212; and even my Socialist theory professor at NYU had to agree that even Communists had to pull together &#8220;capital&#8221; to create the state enterprise. He was a bit taken aback by that &#8212; but agreed to the concept that a USA steel mill had just as much need for capital as a Soviet one (it was the 1980s, which was a stark period of contrast) to make vast quantities of steel &#8212; after constant reminders.</p>
<p>Not thrilled with &#8220;Socialism&#8221; either &#8212; for the USA, in a Toqueville sort of way, is very social. Indeed, we seem to have more social clubs and more socializing than so called Socialism, which ironically restricted people from socializing. Again, it was the Socialist theory professor who had to accede that point &#8212; grudgingly.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;m not thrilled either with &#8220;market economy.&#8221; All economies have markets &#8212; even two traditional, or primitive, people have a market &#8212; my arrow for your curare poison, for instance. Soviet Russia had a market. As did Medieval France. As does the US. Markets are just where things are bought and sold, traded and exchanged, as is required for all since no one can make all they need. Now it depends on who gets to say what one can buy or sell, and when and where, and who gets to accumulate capital and who gets to keep the gain required for a successful enterprise of any sort, big or small. </p>
<p>Voluntary Market doesn&#8217;t seem to fit the bill either, for in a sense Marxists argue that all enter into the system voluntarily by the social compact &#8212; and that capitalism is &#8220;forced&#8221; by laws set by elites. And at the time Marx wrote Das Kapital it was hereditary landed aristocracy that wielded a lot of the force, though not all, in England&#8217;s market. </p>
<p>Nor does Coerced market seem to fit &#8212; for even Soviet Russia didn&#8217;t make you buy something, or sell something, you just had limited choices. While the Health care bill under consideration now would coerce you to buy insurance, whether you want to or not. And it would coerce the seller to sell to any coerced buyer regardless of price or earnings or expenses. Which stand coercion and the system supposedly for it or against it on its head &#8212; and takes markets beyond where few have gone before. </p>
<p>Nor is there anything wrong about workers owning the means of their productive activities &#8212; no reason why General Motors&#8217; unions couldn&#8217;t have bought at any time a controlling or complete interest in the company and run it for themselves. I believe Delta Airlines is owned to some degree by its union. Small businesses with just two or three partners as employees are both worker and boss &#8212; which are they? </p>
<p>Further &#8212; both so called capitalist and socialist economies have &#8220;profit.&#8221; That socialists want to call it &#8220;gain in the five year plan&#8221; to avoid &#8220;profit&#8221; is just a product of politics and semantics &#8212; again, the Socialist theory professor couldn&#8217;t quite get around that, though he tried. Even &#8220;non-profits&#8221; have &#8220;profit&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s just not taxed, but the term &#8220;untaxed company&#8221; is not politically palatable. No gain, much pain, after all &#8212; so non-profits make a profit but call it something else. Semantics again. </p>
<p>Free market sounds too libertine, and without regulations of any kind, thus scary to many. Controlled markets are exactly what, say, Walmart does &#8212; indeed, they are very good at controlling their portion of the market. </p>
<p>Same with planned &#8212; Ford is a very planned company, even years in advance of product launch. But so were Russian car companies just as planned. </p>
<p>On the other hand &#8212; Open Markets fits well &#8212; for anyone is open to join or not join the marketplace in any capacity. And Closed Markets is the opposite &#8212; for no one can enter the marketplace without permission or restriction from the powers that be and you have no other option then the choices offered, even if you have a better idea &#8212; the old &#8220;we&#8217;ll pretend to pay you, you&#8217;ll pretend to work, and you can buy sausage on Tuesday.&#8221; </p>
<p>Open Markets do allow for a Closed Market for certain products, such as sewer services, or highways &#8212; while Closed Markets don&#8217;t allow for anyone to just set up shop of any sort to sell anything. </p>
<p>And those are the terms I use as much as possible (yes, I lapse.) </p>
<p>Open is just that &#8212; opportunity at the door so to speak, and you can open it as you please &#8212; short of fraud and theft.<br />
Closed is just that &#8212; you are locked out or in depending on political power &#8212; and fraud, aka corruption, is part of the equation. </p>
<p>And few words are as simple, and unencumbered with baggage, and free from ideological taint as &#8220;open&#8221; and &#8220;closed.&#8221; Which is the goal &#8211; to make it so simple that an eighth grader can conceptualize the options &#8212; open opportunity or closed opportunity &#8211; such a simple choice, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Terri K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miles, one need only look at the track record of the FDA to determine whether we want/need government to legislate quality or safety.  I too will take my chances with freedom over government guarantees.

Yes, the C word has been bastardized and I stopped using it a long time ago.  Just like, if I must have a label, I prefer voluntarist or agorist to anarchist because of the negative connotations.

In my mission to enlighten and explain the concepts to my sphere of influence, I use &quot;free-markets&quot; and &quot;central planning&quot;.  An additional problem is that most think we already have unfettered free-markets (heh, they think we&#039;re FREE! too), regardless of the terminology, but it&#039;s easy to give examples of how we don&#039;t.    

I&#039;m far more interested in getting people to understand the &lt;i&gt;concepts&lt;/i&gt; and to inspire them to seek further knowledge.  I love it when someone says, &quot;I never thought of it that way before!&quot;

Anyway Steven Horwitz, why don&#039;t you use your favorite terms in your writing and see how the free-market responds? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miles, one need only look at the track record of the FDA to determine whether we want/need government to legislate quality or safety.  I too will take my chances with freedom over government guarantees.</p>
<p>Yes, the C word has been bastardized and I stopped using it a long time ago.  Just like, if I must have a label, I prefer voluntarist or agorist to anarchist because of the negative connotations.</p>
<p>In my mission to enlighten and explain the concepts to my sphere of influence, I use &#8220;free-markets&#8221; and &#8220;central planning&#8221;.  An additional problem is that most think we already have unfettered free-markets (heh, they think we&#8217;re FREE! too), regardless of the terminology, but it&#8217;s easy to give examples of how we don&#8217;t.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;m far more interested in getting people to understand the <i>concepts</i> and to inspire them to seek further knowledge.  I love it when someone says, &#8220;I never thought of it that way before!&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway Steven Horwitz, why don&#8217;t you use your favorite terms in your writing and see how the free-market responds? <img src='http://www.thefreemanonline.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description>Miles, in a &quot;free market&quot; &quot;free speech&quot; will regulate poor quality. Outright fraud is another thing, but otherwise I&#039;ll take my chances with freedom over government guarantees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miles, in a &#8220;free market&#8221; &#8220;free speech&#8221; will regulate poor quality. Outright fraud is another thing, but otherwise I&#8217;ll take my chances with freedom over government guarantees.</p>
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