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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gillette Stadium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillette Stadium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: R Middleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Middleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the dawn of commercial aviation we&#039;ve put our lives in the hands of the flight crew. I think over the years and billions of miles they&#039;ve done an admirable job of earning my trust. I support and want what ever he or she, the pilot, wants.

Pilots go through extensive background checks with the FBI and that thousands of pilots are deputized Federal Flight Deck Officers who are authorized to carry arms, scanning them for concealed weapons seems to be pointless. John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, objected to the unnecessary scrutiny of airline pilots and flight attendants, who, unlike TSA’s own employees, have already undergone background checks and who have been cleared to enter the cockpit. Pilots have already been trusted to operate the most dangerous potential “weapon” aboard any aircraft– the plane itself. What contraband could they could possibly conceal on their person that would be of greater concern?

Pilots and flight crews are security screened. Baggage handlers, cleaners, mechanics etc. aren’t. They swipe an access card and are in the secure area. Yet they have unlimited access to airliners to leave behind anything in any place. The TSA&#039;s answer- &#039;Its too inconvenient to search them!&#039;

There are actually registered sex offenders on the books who have done far less than what the TSA is doing to air travellers right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the dawn of commercial aviation we&#8217;ve put our lives in the hands of the flight crew. I think over the years and billions of miles they&#8217;ve done an admirable job of earning my trust. I support and want what ever he or she, the pilot, wants.</p>
<p>Pilots go through extensive background checks with the FBI and that thousands of pilots are deputized Federal Flight Deck Officers who are authorized to carry arms, scanning them for concealed weapons seems to be pointless. John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, objected to the unnecessary scrutiny of airline pilots and flight attendants, who, unlike TSA’s own employees, have already undergone background checks and who have been cleared to enter the cockpit. Pilots have already been trusted to operate the most dangerous potential “weapon” aboard any aircraft– the plane itself. What contraband could they could possibly conceal on their person that would be of greater concern?</p>
<p>Pilots and flight crews are security screened. Baggage handlers, cleaners, mechanics etc. aren’t. They swipe an access card and are in the secure area. Yet they have unlimited access to airliners to leave behind anything in any place. The TSA&#8217;s answer- &#8216;Its too inconvenient to search them!&#8217;</p>
<p>There are actually registered sex offenders on the books who have done far less than what the TSA is doing to air travellers right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen dogs in use at Detroit, when returning from the Philippines.  Yeah, that&#039;s right, RETURNING.  I don&#039;t get that.

Also, there have been attacks within airports; Israel comes to mind here, though I don&#039;t remember the specifics.  There may be other examples also. So, protecting the airport itself seems important.  I cannot see this being done by just a single airline.  It calls for a collective effort.  Unless we are now talking about separate terminals for each airline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen dogs in use at Detroit, when returning from the Philippines.  Yeah, that&#8217;s right, RETURNING.  I don&#8217;t get that.</p>
<p>Also, there have been attacks within airports; Israel comes to mind here, though I don&#8217;t remember the specifics.  There may be other examples also. So, protecting the airport itself seems important.  I cannot see this being done by just a single airline.  It calls for a collective effort.  Unless we are now talking about separate terminals for each airline.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. ~ Nietzsche

Complexity, is what Nietzsche meant. Chaos, otoh, is what you get from star chamber &quot;standardization&quot;. 

And just what do you suppose was the mechanism that imparted those lessons to Whitney? It wasn&#039;t the federal cotton gin gin....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. ~ Nietzsche</p>
<p>Complexity, is what Nietzsche meant. Chaos, otoh, is what you get from star chamber &#8220;standardization&#8221;. </p>
<p>And just what do you suppose was the mechanism that imparted those lessons to Whitney? It wasn&#8217;t the federal cotton gin gin&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn A-B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn A-B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 14:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ryan.  Your comments  are what I was thinking, but are phrased better. 
I would only add one observation that applies to practically every subject we discuss here. 
Either we think,  from historical, economic analysis and our own observation and logic, that the market (free people making individual decisions in the voluntary market process) works best, or we think, somehow, that the State should make the decisions. Eventually,  it all comes down to philosophy . Either we persuade and advocate for individual decisions, or the alternative.  
PS to JMF  Love the suggestion of using  more dogs. They love their work and are always discreet.  Airline and even  Airport are different from TSA. If open to choice, perhaps some airports would have joint decisions by all airlines working out of them.  The point is I do not know what would evolve if open to the market. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ryan.  Your comments  are what I was thinking, but are phrased better.<br />
I would only add one observation that applies to practically every subject we discuss here.<br />
Either we think,  from historical, economic analysis and our own observation and logic, that the market (free people making individual decisions in the voluntary market process) works best, or we think, somehow, that the State should make the decisions. Eventually,  it all comes down to philosophy . Either we persuade and advocate for individual decisions, or the alternative.<br />
PS to JMF  Love the suggestion of using  more dogs. They love their work and are always discreet.  Airline and even  Airport are different from TSA. If open to choice, perhaps some airports would have joint decisions by all airlines working out of them.  The point is I do not know what would evolve if open to the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMF:  Now how precisely shall we determine which set of procedures are to be standardized upon for the whole world?  Just ask you?  Or ask some other well-intentioned bureaucrat who somehow has an omniscient view of the whole system?

You&#039;ve just inadvertently proved Ms. Akers&#039; point.  Airport security is dangerous because it&#039;s ineffective, and it&#039;s ineffective because the market process has not been allowed to discover which security protocols give the customers the sense of safety they need in order to most confidently fly.  Why would we expect a security monopoly to perform better than any other monopoly?

Just imagine an airline that required, as a condition of ticket purchase, that one&#039;s bags could be searched by any other ticketholder or their hired agent at any time, and provided only nominal security otherwise.  An example of a solution that sounds absurd, but is only really unthinkable as a business model because it&#039;s impossible to test out as long as a monopolist in charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMF:  Now how precisely shall we determine which set of procedures are to be standardized upon for the whole world?  Just ask you?  Or ask some other well-intentioned bureaucrat who somehow has an omniscient view of the whole system?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve just inadvertently proved Ms. Akers&#8217; point.  Airport security is dangerous because it&#8217;s ineffective, and it&#8217;s ineffective because the market process has not been allowed to discover which security protocols give the customers the sense of safety they need in order to most confidently fly.  Why would we expect a security monopoly to perform better than any other monopoly?</p>
<p>Just imagine an airline that required, as a condition of ticket purchase, that one&#8217;s bags could be searched by any other ticketholder or their hired agent at any time, and provided only nominal security otherwise.  An example of a solution that sounds absurd, but is only really unthinkable as a business model because it&#8217;s impossible to test out as long as a monopolist in charge.</p>
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		<title>By: James Madison Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Madison Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rare case where Ms. Akers and I can agree... for the most part.  Her point about the invasive, imperfect, and unnecessary screening technique is entirely apt.  There are better techniques that could be employed such as dogs.  They are not 100% but nothing is and we don’t have to worry about them disclosing embarrassing details about us much less producing graphic photos to corroborate their amusing stories.  

With that said she goes from the sublime to the ridiculous by offering that the solution is a complete deregulation of security.  

Do I think TSA is the answer?  No.  However the problem is that a lack of standardization leads to chaos and a breakdown of customer service.  I am less concerned when that means Starbucks hands me the wrong cup of coffee but relatively more concerned when it means the guy sitting next to me has O. Bin Laden on his suitcase tag.

For instance, a significant step forward in curbing the cost of health care could have been achieved by commissioning a committee of insurance reps and doctors to standardize the paperwork so it doesn’t take an entire herd of clerical staff just to get paid.  The lessons learned by Eli Whitney and his cotton gin do not only apply to mechanical systems, they apply to bureaucracies as well.  Standardization = Efficiency and Consistency.  

If we allow air carriers to implement their own security we’ll end up with a system that ranges from James Bond to Barmy Fife.  If I decide to go through the 007 line I don’t want my plane put in jeopardy by some rent-a-cop wannabe earning minimum wage from a discount airline that lets in Mohammed Mohammed Al Mohammed on his way to claim his 70 odd virgins.  

Security is for the airport, not the airline.  Comprises in the security of one could affect every plane in the airport.  I shouldn’t need to get naked to achieve a reasonable level of confidence that one of the passengers isn’t going to light his BVD’s on fire but at the same time I shouldn’t have to worry that some high school dropout looking for beer money is running security because they need to offset an increase in the cost of aviation fuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rare case where Ms. Akers and I can agree&#8230; for the most part.  Her point about the invasive, imperfect, and unnecessary screening technique is entirely apt.  There are better techniques that could be employed such as dogs.  They are not 100% but nothing is and we don’t have to worry about them disclosing embarrassing details about us much less producing graphic photos to corroborate their amusing stories.  </p>
<p>With that said she goes from the sublime to the ridiculous by offering that the solution is a complete deregulation of security.  </p>
<p>Do I think TSA is the answer?  No.  However the problem is that a lack of standardization leads to chaos and a breakdown of customer service.  I am less concerned when that means Starbucks hands me the wrong cup of coffee but relatively more concerned when it means the guy sitting next to me has O. Bin Laden on his suitcase tag.</p>
<p>For instance, a significant step forward in curbing the cost of health care could have been achieved by commissioning a committee of insurance reps and doctors to standardize the paperwork so it doesn’t take an entire herd of clerical staff just to get paid.  The lessons learned by Eli Whitney and his cotton gin do not only apply to mechanical systems, they apply to bureaucracies as well.  Standardization = Efficiency and Consistency.  </p>
<p>If we allow air carriers to implement their own security we’ll end up with a system that ranges from James Bond to Barmy Fife.  If I decide to go through the 007 line I don’t want my plane put in jeopardy by some rent-a-cop wannabe earning minimum wage from a discount airline that lets in Mohammed Mohammed Al Mohammed on his way to claim his 70 odd virgins.  </p>
<p>Security is for the airport, not the airline.  Comprises in the security of one could affect every plane in the airport.  I shouldn’t need to get naked to achieve a reasonable level of confidence that one of the passengers isn’t going to light his BVD’s on fire but at the same time I shouldn’t have to worry that some high school dropout looking for beer money is running security because they need to offset an increase in the cost of aviation fuel.</p>
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