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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Zube</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish he had pointed out the personal law and exterritorial autonomy tradition, in which individuals and minorities have their own and self-chosen law system, which in our future could do much to avoid wars, civil wars, revolutions and terrorism. The literature and websites on this possibility is growing. Even the best of limited governments is still territorial and thus does not offer these options, although it would offer laissez faire in economics. It still does not permit laissez faire in social and political systems. The best website on this is probably still www.panarchy.org . Google offers thousands of references under &quot;panarchy&quot; and &quot;panarchism&quot; not all in the same meaning of exterritorial autonomy for volunteers, many more hints than I have time to download and read, in spite of my own strong interest in this subject. To evaluate all this information would also require a sufficient division of labor among interested people. A new kind of political science is involved, the other side of the coin of territorial politics. How this rather obvious opposite and its precedents and current limited analogies could be so extensively neglected for so long is still a riddle to me. To each his own utopia, at the own risk and expense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish he had pointed out the personal law and exterritorial autonomy tradition, in which individuals and minorities have their own and self-chosen law system, which in our future could do much to avoid wars, civil wars, revolutions and terrorism. The literature and websites on this possibility is growing. Even the best of limited governments is still territorial and thus does not offer these options, although it would offer laissez faire in economics. It still does not permit laissez faire in social and political systems. The best website on this is probably still <a href="http://www.panarchy.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.panarchy.org</a> . Google offers thousands of references under &#8220;panarchy&#8221; and &#8220;panarchism&#8221; not all in the same meaning of exterritorial autonomy for volunteers, many more hints than I have time to download and read, in spite of my own strong interest in this subject. To evaluate all this information would also require a sufficient division of labor among interested people. A new kind of political science is involved, the other side of the coin of territorial politics. How this rather obvious opposite and its precedents and current limited analogies could be so extensively neglected for so long is still a riddle to me. To each his own utopia, at the own risk and expense!</p>
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		<title>By: Deefburger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent article.

I would like to simplify the rights and their source as you so eloquently illustrated in your writing.

Natural rights, which are also known as &quot;negative rights&quot; are based upon the single common right of self preservation.  It is this right and all of the rights that extend from it that is the basis of those laws that transcend time and borders.  These rights are held equally by all individuals.

Unnatural rights, which are also known as &quot;positive rights&quot; are based upon the single assumption of the right to &quot;the first use of force&quot;.  This type of right is the basis of power, and when codified in the law, presents an immediate and terrible threat to the natural rights of man.  These &quot;laws&quot; require enforcement to have any effect in society as a whole or in part.  What is interesting is that the enforcement is never brought against the whole of society, but is instead applied to only a few individuals at any given time, and usually with very specific targets and very specific means.

Because the &quot;positive rights&quot; are not applied equally, nor are they held equally, they persist in our experience, and are allowed to persist, because not everybody who is threatened by them feels the sting of enforcement in the same way or at the same time.  The slow death of freedom is very very slow.  Unnatural rights in the law are like an HIV infection in the body politic, and the death that comes to freedom may take years or even generations to manifest.

But thankfully, these two types of right are easily distinguished from one another.  Negative rights include the use of force, but only in defense, so that the force is not &quot;first use&quot; thereof.  Unnatural rights must use force first.  Monopoly laws, taxation, preemptive strikes, licensing, patent, copyright, and government mandate are all forms of unnatural positive rights that require the first use of force.

If a government is to be by the People, of the People, and for the People, then it can not initiate the use of force against any one of the People by right.  Such an act is antithetical to the intent and purposes of a representative government.  So the inclusion in the body of law of any such government of the unnatural right to use force first, against any People, at any time, is simply WRONG!

Force, when applied by government, must be applied by the same natural right of self-preservation by the individuals engaging in the use of force, that they themselves would use in defense of their own self and property as individuals, or the government is NOT representative of individuals in general and the natural rights and state of those individuals.  Life, Liberty, and Property are natural rights of People.  Government is not a means to extract those rights from the People themselves, but is instead a means of protecting those rights for the People.

Only the white side of the chess board uses force first.  Play the black side or walk away from the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent article.</p>
<p>I would like to simplify the rights and their source as you so eloquently illustrated in your writing.</p>
<p>Natural rights, which are also known as &#8220;negative rights&#8221; are based upon the single common right of self preservation.  It is this right and all of the rights that extend from it that is the basis of those laws that transcend time and borders.  These rights are held equally by all individuals.</p>
<p>Unnatural rights, which are also known as &#8220;positive rights&#8221; are based upon the single assumption of the right to &#8220;the first use of force&#8221;.  This type of right is the basis of power, and when codified in the law, presents an immediate and terrible threat to the natural rights of man.  These &#8220;laws&#8221; require enforcement to have any effect in society as a whole or in part.  What is interesting is that the enforcement is never brought against the whole of society, but is instead applied to only a few individuals at any given time, and usually with very specific targets and very specific means.</p>
<p>Because the &#8220;positive rights&#8221; are not applied equally, nor are they held equally, they persist in our experience, and are allowed to persist, because not everybody who is threatened by them feels the sting of enforcement in the same way or at the same time.  The slow death of freedom is very very slow.  Unnatural rights in the law are like an HIV infection in the body politic, and the death that comes to freedom may take years or even generations to manifest.</p>
<p>But thankfully, these two types of right are easily distinguished from one another.  Negative rights include the use of force, but only in defense, so that the force is not &#8220;first use&#8221; thereof.  Unnatural rights must use force first.  Monopoly laws, taxation, preemptive strikes, licensing, patent, copyright, and government mandate are all forms of unnatural positive rights that require the first use of force.</p>
<p>If a government is to be by the People, of the People, and for the People, then it can not initiate the use of force against any one of the People by right.  Such an act is antithetical to the intent and purposes of a representative government.  So the inclusion in the body of law of any such government of the unnatural right to use force first, against any People, at any time, is simply WRONG!</p>
<p>Force, when applied by government, must be applied by the same natural right of self-preservation by the individuals engaging in the use of force, that they themselves would use in defense of their own self and property as individuals, or the government is NOT representative of individuals in general and the natural rights and state of those individuals.  Life, Liberty, and Property are natural rights of People.  Government is not a means to extract those rights from the People themselves, but is instead a means of protecting those rights for the People.</p>
<p>Only the white side of the chess board uses force first.  Play the black side or walk away from the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddie</title>
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