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		<title>By: How Liberals Distort Austrian Economics &#124; Real Liberty Media</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/mainstream-macro-in-an-austrian-nutshell/comment-page-1/#comment-53365</link>
		<dc:creator>How Liberals Distort Austrian Economics &#124; Real Liberty Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] monetary system is as pressing today as it was a century ago.Yglesias understands that the  Austrian theory of the business cycle has something to do with artificially low interest rates breeding malinvestment, but he thinks it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] monetary system is as pressing today as it was a century ago.Yglesias understands that the  Austrian theory of the business cycle has something to do with artificially low interest rates breeding malinvestment, but he thinks it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: erwan mahe</title>
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		<dc:creator>erwan mahe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 13:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello roger,
could you please tell me where you find this:
&#039;In terms of the equation of exchange (MV=PQ), Hayek argued that the ideal policy was to keep MV—and hence PQ—constant by increasing the money supply (M) just enough to offset declines in money’s velocity of circulation (V). &#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello roger,<br />
could you please tell me where you find this:<br />
&#8216;In terms of the equation of exchange (MV=PQ), Hayek argued that the ideal policy was to keep MV—and hence PQ—constant by increasing the money supply (M) just enough to offset declines in money’s velocity of circulation (V). &#8216;</p>
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		<title>By: Atlas Sound Money Project &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;The Austrian Theory: One More Time&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/mainstream-macro-in-an-austrian-nutshell/comment-page-1/#comment-31413</link>
		<dc:creator>Atlas Sound Money Project &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;The Austrian Theory: One More Time&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original Freeman article by Garrison &#8220;Mainstream Macro in an Austrian Nutshell&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Original Freeman article by Garrison &#8220;Mainstream Macro in an Austrian Nutshell&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Missing from this Picture? &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/mainstream-macro-in-an-austrian-nutshell/comment-page-1/#comment-29210</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Missing from this Picture? &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see how Austrian economists have analyzed the crisis and proposed a way out. Here, here, here, and here are good places to start. Those are articles by Mario Rizzo, Gerald O&#8217;Driscoll, and Roger [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see how Austrian economists have analyzed the crisis and proposed a way out. Here, here, here, and here are good places to start. Those are articles by Mario Rizzo, Gerald O&#8217;Driscoll, and Roger [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Centro Adam Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/mainstream-macro-in-an-austrian-nutshell/comment-page-1/#comment-20898</link>
		<dc:creator>Centro Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Una traducción al español de este artículo fue publicada, con la debida autorizaciónd de FEE, en la Revista Digital Orden Espontáneo editada por el Centro Adam Smith de Fundación Libertad. http://centroadamsmith.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/oe1final.pdf

Aquí pueden ver los restantes números de la revista: http://centroadamsmith.wordpress.com/revista-digital-orden-espontaneo/

Saludos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Una traducción al español de este artículo fue publicada, con la debida autorizaciónd de FEE, en la Revista Digital Orden Espontáneo editada por el Centro Adam Smith de Fundación Libertad. <a href="http://centroadamsmith.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/oe1final.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://centroadamsmith.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/oe1final.pdf</a></p>
<p>Aquí pueden ver los restantes números de la revista: <a href="http://centroadamsmith.wordpress.com/revista-digital-orden-espontaneo/" rel="nofollow">http://centroadamsmith.wordpress.com/revista-digital-orden-espontaneo/</a></p>
<p>Saludos.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Macker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,
I read the abstract of your paper.  I&#039;m not sure why you posted it in a for pay web site since you are obviously an amateur economist.

One of the assumptions you state in your abstract is: &quot;This paper demonstrates an entrepreneur may simultaneously classify a capital good into several orders, as orders of goods are defined by Austrian economists.&quot;

Austrians understand that uniform goods such as say gasoline can serve as inputs at different stages of production.    There is no need for entrepreneurs to &quot;classify&quot; such a good into any particular stage.   One can use such a capital good at any stage.  It the actual use of the good by a particular stage that makes for the Hayekian triangle.    

Thus if interest rates are low thus spurring an increased investment in commodities like copper then this will tend to increase the consumption of gasoline for mining copper.

Obviously, one can redirect any remaining gasoline to another stage quickly.    However the gasoline that was consumed is consumed at a particular stage.   In doing so there is a conversion of one capital good to another.   Gasoline plus mining equipment and physical mine gets converted to ore at stage one,   gasoline plus ore and smelting equipment gets converted to copper at stage two, etc.

Other capital goods are more specialized.   You might have a specialized machine that beats the ore that is made of steel.   During a boom the quantities of such machines may have been increased.    This requires that steel be diverted from other later stages of production (as with the gasoline).   

Unfortunately in this case it is not so easy to correct this diversion without more capital input.    The machinery would need to be melted down to convert it to some other stage of production as it is unsuitable for use in the other stages in it&#039;s current form.

Since one of the main assumptions of your paper about Austrian Business Cycle theory is incorrect I believe your paper to be of no consequence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,<br />
I read the abstract of your paper.  I&#8217;m not sure why you posted it in a for pay web site since you are obviously an amateur economist.</p>
<p>One of the assumptions you state in your abstract is: &#8220;This paper demonstrates an entrepreneur may simultaneously classify a capital good into several orders, as orders of goods are defined by Austrian economists.&#8221;</p>
<p>Austrians understand that uniform goods such as say gasoline can serve as inputs at different stages of production.    There is no need for entrepreneurs to &#8220;classify&#8221; such a good into any particular stage.   One can use such a capital good at any stage.  It the actual use of the good by a particular stage that makes for the Hayekian triangle.    </p>
<p>Thus if interest rates are low thus spurring an increased investment in commodities like copper then this will tend to increase the consumption of gasoline for mining copper.</p>
<p>Obviously, one can redirect any remaining gasoline to another stage quickly.    However the gasoline that was consumed is consumed at a particular stage.   In doing so there is a conversion of one capital good to another.   Gasoline plus mining equipment and physical mine gets converted to ore at stage one,   gasoline plus ore and smelting equipment gets converted to copper at stage two, etc.</p>
<p>Other capital goods are more specialized.   You might have a specialized machine that beats the ore that is made of steel.   During a boom the quantities of such machines may have been increased.    This requires that steel be diverted from other later stages of production (as with the gasoline).   </p>
<p>Unfortunately in this case it is not so easy to correct this diversion without more capital input.    The machinery would need to be melted down to convert it to some other stage of production as it is unsuitable for use in the other stages in it&#8217;s current form.</p>
<p>Since one of the main assumptions of your paper about Austrian Business Cycle theory is incorrect I believe your paper to be of no consequence.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Macker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 11:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delong\&#039;s comment here shows a total misunderstanding of Austrian theory.    Austrian theory stresses that commodity prices are highly cyclical also because they are far from consumption.   Much more so than consumer prices.     If he actually read and understood Austrian theory there would be no way he would fail to include the commodity bubble in an intellectually honest attempt to criticize the theory.   I can only conclude from his belief that he has somehow refuted Austrian theory with this ridiculously inept equation that he hasn&#039;t even the slightest understanding of the theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delong\&#8217;s comment here shows a total misunderstanding of Austrian theory.    Austrian theory stresses that commodity prices are highly cyclical also because they are far from consumption.   Much more so than consumer prices.     If he actually read and understood Austrian theory there would be no way he would fail to include the commodity bubble in an intellectually honest attempt to criticize the theory.   I can only conclude from his belief that he has somehow refuted Austrian theory with this ridiculously inept equation that he hasn&#8217;t even the slightest understanding of the theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando Armaswalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orlando Armaswalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are three problems with De Long&#039;s and Garrison&#039;s articles. 
1-  Given MV=GDP (or better... Sum (MV) = Sum (PQ) = GDP, the V (velocity) peaked in 1997 at around 2.2.  The macroeconomists have been trying to &#039;fix&#039; that problem for the past 12 years.  It started with the ASIAN and Russian defaults and has gathered steam ever since.  Velocity is still above trend and the math says it has to fall another 28-40% before recovery takes place (Vmin in 1946 = 1.1).  If you want to avoid further fall in GDP, the money supply will have to rise by more than the $2T mentioned.
2-  Even though the 2003-4 period of low interest rates is considered to have unleashed the boom, the highest median number of faulty housing subprime loans were actually generated in 2006 through Sep 2007 AFTER interest rates had peaked.  If you take out the loans generated during that period, the depression could have been avoided.
3-  As already mentioned above:  the time series does not correspond to the story lines.  Mr Greenspan&#039;s interest rate lows of 13 months are LESS than the current period&#039;s (soon to exceed 13 months) and he had no QE.  If we take the peak in velocity as determining the top, the growth in debt (say, excess capital stock) has had a devastating effect on this economy that will take many more years to unwind.  It is also true that the crisis probably began in 1997, even though no one realized the issue at the time.  It looks like the Austrian model is correct, though not politically correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three problems with De Long&#8217;s and Garrison&#8217;s articles.<br />
1-  Given MV=GDP (or better&#8230; Sum (MV) = Sum (PQ) = GDP, the V (velocity) peaked in 1997 at around 2.2.  The macroeconomists have been trying to &#8216;fix&#8217; that problem for the past 12 years.  It started with the ASIAN and Russian defaults and has gathered steam ever since.  Velocity is still above trend and the math says it has to fall another 28-40% before recovery takes place (Vmin in 1946 = 1.1).  If you want to avoid further fall in GDP, the money supply will have to rise by more than the $2T mentioned.<br />
2-  Even though the 2003-4 period of low interest rates is considered to have unleashed the boom, the highest median number of faulty housing subprime loans were actually generated in 2006 through Sep 2007 AFTER interest rates had peaked.  If you take out the loans generated during that period, the depression could have been avoided.<br />
3-  As already mentioned above:  the time series does not correspond to the story lines.  Mr Greenspan&#8217;s interest rate lows of 13 months are LESS than the current period&#8217;s (soon to exceed 13 months) and he had no QE.  If we take the peak in velocity as determining the top, the growth in debt (say, excess capital stock) has had a devastating effect on this economy that will take many more years to unwind.  It is also true that the crisis probably began in 1997, even though no one realized the issue at the time.  It looks like the Austrian model is correct, though not politically correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger W. Garrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger W. Garrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE AUSTRIAN THEORY ONE MORE TIME: 
A REJOINDER TO BRAD DELONG

Roger W. Garrison, Auburn University

In his dismissive response to my recent Freeman article (“Mainstream Macro in an Austrian Nutshell,” May 2009), Brad DeLong provides some arithmetic that supposedly weighs against the Austrian theory of the business cycle as a plausible basis for understanding the current recession. He argues that the estimated $2 trillion worth of housing stock write-downs and the consequent construction slow-downs imply that the unemployment rate during the next decade should be higher by only 0.6%. On the basis of this calculation, he announces that the Austrian theory “just does not work.”

The Austrians might well be similarly dismissive of DeLong’s announcement, but it is worth pointing out that the differences between DeLong and the Austrians are not to be resolved by doing the math but by understanding the theory. Tellingly, DeLong has overestimated and, at the same time, underestimated the significance of the housing bubble in the Austrians’ view of the current recession....

For the rest of the rejoinder see
http://www.auburn.edu/~garriro/delong.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE AUSTRIAN THEORY ONE MORE TIME:<br />
A REJOINDER TO BRAD DELONG</p>
<p>Roger W. Garrison, Auburn University</p>
<p>In his dismissive response to my recent Freeman article (“Mainstream Macro in an Austrian Nutshell,” May 2009), Brad DeLong provides some arithmetic that supposedly weighs against the Austrian theory of the business cycle as a plausible basis for understanding the current recession. He argues that the estimated $2 trillion worth of housing stock write-downs and the consequent construction slow-downs imply that the unemployment rate during the next decade should be higher by only 0.6%. On the basis of this calculation, he announces that the Austrian theory “just does not work.”</p>
<p>The Austrians might well be similarly dismissive of DeLong’s announcement, but it is worth pointing out that the differences between DeLong and the Austrians are not to be resolved by doing the math but by understanding the theory. Tellingly, DeLong has overestimated and, at the same time, underestimated the significance of the housing bubble in the Austrians’ view of the current recession&#8230;.</p>
<p>For the rest of the rejoinder see<br />
<a href="http://www.auburn.edu/~garriro/delong.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.auburn.edu/~garriro/delong.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Current</title>
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		<dc:creator>Current</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 09:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad DeLong: &quot;$200 billion less of housing per year over each of the next ten years relative to what we would have done otherwise, which means that we have to reduce construction employment below trend by 2 million workers for a long time to come&quot;

It will not only reduce construction employment below trend.  It will also reduce employment in industries related to construction, those that supply it, for example.  There are also other areas that saw a boom, banking for example, which is also contracting causing direct and indirect job losses.

Robert Vienneau: &quot;I might as well point out my refutation of Garrison, linked to by my name.&quot;

Robert Vienneau points to the reswitching and substitution problems with Austrian economics.  Certainly these exist.

Capital may be a Giffen good for businesses.  In that case if the central bank subsidize it by reducing the interest rate businesses may actually use less of it.

Also, capital goods may also be substitutes for consumer goods.  Ranks of capital goods of different orders may be irrelevant if they can substitute for each other.

Though these two theoretical arguments are correct they clearly don&#039;t apply to the real world.  (They do demonstrate nicely though that Mises&#039; austrian economics isn&#039;t entirely a priori).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad DeLong: &#8220;$200 billion less of housing per year over each of the next ten years relative to what we would have done otherwise, which means that we have to reduce construction employment below trend by 2 million workers for a long time to come&#8221;</p>
<p>It will not only reduce construction employment below trend.  It will also reduce employment in industries related to construction, those that supply it, for example.  There are also other areas that saw a boom, banking for example, which is also contracting causing direct and indirect job losses.</p>
<p>Robert Vienneau: &#8220;I might as well point out my refutation of Garrison, linked to by my name.&#8221;</p>
<p>Robert Vienneau points to the reswitching and substitution problems with Austrian economics.  Certainly these exist.</p>
<p>Capital may be a Giffen good for businesses.  In that case if the central bank subsidize it by reducing the interest rate businesses may actually use less of it.</p>
<p>Also, capital goods may also be substitutes for consumer goods.  Ranks of capital goods of different orders may be irrelevant if they can substitute for each other.</p>
<p>Though these two theoretical arguments are correct they clearly don&#8217;t apply to the real world.  (They do demonstrate nicely though that Mises&#8217; austrian economics isn&#8217;t entirely a priori).</p>
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