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		<title>By: El Gordo</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/is-the-constitution-antiquated/comment-page-1/#comment-43649</link>
		<dc:creator>El Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We cannot excoriate the Federal Government for failing in its legal obligations and limitations per the Constitution while proposing to ourselves bypass and ignore the Constitution.  

You cannot modify the Constitution per Article V without concurrent risks that the modifications adopted may be those that others desire rather than those that you desire.  More particularly, what would be the point?  

Wouldn&#039;t it be even easier for the Federal Government to ignore improperly ratified Constitutional modifications than to ignore properly ratified amendments?  But as of today the Federal Government nearly in total ignores the Constitution.

The proper remedy is to follow the Constitution exactly.  EXACTLY.  By this I mean that for a Constitutional Convention  (Con-Con) Art V states that Congress will call a Con-Con when asked to by 2/3ds of the States.  It also says that proposed amendments are &#039;ratified&#039; when approved by 3/4s of State Conventions or when ratified by 3/4&#039;s of State Legislatures.  

Yet the Constitution does not restrain the States from holding a Con-Con, when 2/3&#039;s have asked for one, simply because Congress failed to perform their duty and call for one.  Nor does the Constitution otherwise claim that a Constitutional Amendment is invalid after ratification by 3/4&#039;s of the States whatever the method of its proposal.

LESSON 1: 
If 2/3s of States want a Con-Con they can hold one regardless of the Federal Government&#039;s desires.

LESSON 2:
If 3/4&#039;s of State Conventions or State Legislatures Ratify certain language as an Amendment to the Constitution, regardless of the method of it&#039;s proposal it is for all intents and purposes a valid Amendment.

LESSON 3:
The Constitution is essentially a Special Power of Attorney.  This grants certain defined powers from the grantor to the grantee.  When those who are employed under such an agreement fail to exercise the terms of their employment, or exercise powers outside of the agreement they can be considered to be pretenders to their employment - meaning not legitimately employed and their act to not be legally binding.

Therefore the proper understanding to have is that a &#039;Federal Government&#039; that ignores significant portions of the Constitution is not lawfully the Federal Government at all.  Any actions the Pretenders or their agents perform not pertinent to powers given under the agreement are unlawful, and should be treated exactly as you would treat anyone else who performed those actions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We cannot excoriate the Federal Government for failing in its legal obligations and limitations per the Constitution while proposing to ourselves bypass and ignore the Constitution.  </p>
<p>You cannot modify the Constitution per Article V without concurrent risks that the modifications adopted may be those that others desire rather than those that you desire.  More particularly, what would be the point?  </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be even easier for the Federal Government to ignore improperly ratified Constitutional modifications than to ignore properly ratified amendments?  But as of today the Federal Government nearly in total ignores the Constitution.</p>
<p>The proper remedy is to follow the Constitution exactly.  EXACTLY.  By this I mean that for a Constitutional Convention  (Con-Con) Art V states that Congress will call a Con-Con when asked to by 2/3ds of the States.  It also says that proposed amendments are &#8216;ratified&#8217; when approved by 3/4s of State Conventions or when ratified by 3/4&#8242;s of State Legislatures.  </p>
<p>Yet the Constitution does not restrain the States from holding a Con-Con, when 2/3&#8242;s have asked for one, simply because Congress failed to perform their duty and call for one.  Nor does the Constitution otherwise claim that a Constitutional Amendment is invalid after ratification by 3/4&#8242;s of the States whatever the method of its proposal.</p>
<p>LESSON 1:<br />
If 2/3s of States want a Con-Con they can hold one regardless of the Federal Government&#8217;s desires.</p>
<p>LESSON 2:<br />
If 3/4&#8242;s of State Conventions or State Legislatures Ratify certain language as an Amendment to the Constitution, regardless of the method of it&#8217;s proposal it is for all intents and purposes a valid Amendment.</p>
<p>LESSON 3:<br />
The Constitution is essentially a Special Power of Attorney.  This grants certain defined powers from the grantor to the grantee.  When those who are employed under such an agreement fail to exercise the terms of their employment, or exercise powers outside of the agreement they can be considered to be pretenders to their employment &#8211; meaning not legitimately employed and their act to not be legally binding.</p>
<p>Therefore the proper understanding to have is that a &#8216;Federal Government&#8217; that ignores significant portions of the Constitution is not lawfully the Federal Government at all.  Any actions the Pretenders or their agents perform not pertinent to powers given under the agreement are unlawful, and should be treated exactly as you would treat anyone else who performed those actions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hasty post (unauthorized) to which my later post replies: 
Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.3:22 pm
Is is clear that only the federal government may issue letters of marque and reprisal? Could not a southern border state issue such letters against smugglers and illegal immigrants from Mexico? Mexico might take it as an act of war and declare war against the United States, but maybe that&#039;s what&#039;s required to control the border. Mexico is already violating U.S. sovereignty and conducting a war of conquest by outlaw gangs and illegal immigration. This could also be a source of revenue for the issuing states, and income to the recipients of the letters.
Sorry for the confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hasty post (unauthorized) to which my later post replies:<br />
Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.3:22 pm<br />
Is is clear that only the federal government may issue letters of marque and reprisal? Could not a southern border state issue such letters against smugglers and illegal immigrants from Mexico? Mexico might take it as an act of war and declare war against the United States, but maybe that&#8217;s what&#8217;s required to control the border. Mexico is already violating U.S. sovereignty and conducting a war of conquest by outlaw gangs and illegal immigration. This could also be a source of revenue for the issuing states, and income to the recipients of the letters.<br />
Sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/is-the-constitution-antiquated/comment-page-1/#comment-29463</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha! I spoke too soon! Belay that! I should have read the article instead of skipping through it. The article points out that U.S. Const. Art. I Sec. 8, par. 11 prohibits the state issuance of letters of marque and reprisal.

The people should take up a suggestion by William J. Watkins, Jr., The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, Guideposts of Limited Government, http://www.constitution.org/lrev/kentvirg_watkins.htm, that the Constitution be amended to enable states to propose amendments without the hazard of convening a constitutional convention. Then the states could propose an amendment granting them the power to issue letters of marque and reprisal.

Also, I suggest the Constitution is a contract, with mutually dependent conditions. The federal government having failed to defend the states, the states should be excused from the prohibition against state letters of marque and reprisal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha! I spoke too soon! Belay that! I should have read the article instead of skipping through it. The article points out that U.S. Const. Art. I Sec. 8, par. 11 prohibits the state issuance of letters of marque and reprisal.</p>
<p>The people should take up a suggestion by William J. Watkins, Jr., The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, Guideposts of Limited Government, <a href="http://www.constitution.org/lrev/kentvirg_watkins.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitution.org/lrev/kentvirg_watkins.htm</a>, that the Constitution be amended to enable states to propose amendments without the hazard of convening a constitutional convention. Then the states could propose an amendment granting them the power to issue letters of marque and reprisal.</p>
<p>Also, I suggest the Constitution is a contract, with mutually dependent conditions. The federal government having failed to defend the states, the states should be excused from the prohibition against state letters of marque and reprisal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hoyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hoyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion needs to be raised in the media too.  The treasonous attainder section is confusing as it appears to be at odds with the restriction against bills of attainder.  I assume it may mean that congress sets the punishment (general attainder) for whoever is convicted of treason by civil court or military tribunal/courts martial but it is not allowed to be visited upon their heirs.

Property seizure, however, is constitutional per Article IV of the Bill of Rights as long as it is not unreasonable and is executed only by Warrant.  What defines &quot;Unreasonable&quot; is one question to be asked and is the property (minus the drugs) returned if the person is found not guilty?

I believe Ron Paul brought up the use of letters of marque and reprisal.  I did not notice whether our Navy and Coast Guard ship captains who seize drugs, etc. on the high seas are required to have the letters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion needs to be raised in the media too.  The treasonous attainder section is confusing as it appears to be at odds with the restriction against bills of attainder.  I assume it may mean that congress sets the punishment (general attainder) for whoever is convicted of treason by civil court or military tribunal/courts martial but it is not allowed to be visited upon their heirs.</p>
<p>Property seizure, however, is constitutional per Article IV of the Bill of Rights as long as it is not unreasonable and is executed only by Warrant.  What defines &#8220;Unreasonable&#8221; is one question to be asked and is the property (minus the drugs) returned if the person is found not guilty?</p>
<p>I believe Ron Paul brought up the use of letters of marque and reprisal.  I did not notice whether our Navy and Coast Guard ship captains who seize drugs, etc. on the high seas are required to have the letters.</p>
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		<title>By: George Schwappach</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Schwappach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article.  It was timely, in that I was having a discussion yesterday about prosecuting people for something made a crime after the fact (ex post facto).  It was great to be reminded that the Constitution supports me.
Sadly, the restriction against &#039;Bills of Attainder&#039; would prohibit my idea to access a billion dollar tax on anyone who served in congress for each term from 1935 to 2010 (the years that social security was used to steal trillions of dollars from Americans).  The idea would be to leave them and their decedents penniless (which is what they did to the millions of Americans who paid into a plan that is bankrupt).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article.  It was timely, in that I was having a discussion yesterday about prosecuting people for something made a crime after the fact (ex post facto).  It was great to be reminded that the Constitution supports me.<br />
Sadly, the restriction against &#8216;Bills of Attainder&#8217; would prohibit my idea to access a billion dollar tax on anyone who served in congress for each term from 1935 to 2010 (the years that social security was used to steal trillions of dollars from Americans).  The idea would be to leave them and their decedents penniless (which is what they did to the millions of Americans who paid into a plan that is bankrupt).</p>
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		<title>By: David Spellman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Spellman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always felt that property seizure in the war on drugs was unlawful search and seizure, but I agree that it might better be defined as a new way to execute bills of attainder.  Interesting insight.

I also have heard proposals to revive letters of marque and reprisal as methods of combating piracy (e.g. Somalia and the South China sea) and terrorist groups.  We might be surprised how quickly the problem gets solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always felt that property seizure in the war on drugs was unlawful search and seizure, but I agree that it might better be defined as a new way to execute bills of attainder.  Interesting insight.</p>
<p>I also have heard proposals to revive letters of marque and reprisal as methods of combating piracy (e.g. Somalia and the South China sea) and terrorist groups.  We might be surprised how quickly the problem gets solved.</p>
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		<title>By: pilgrim1776</title>
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		<dc:creator>pilgrim1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people, what I call the masses-r-asses, have allowed government to go way beyond the limitations anda restrictions of the Constitution.  As Webster stated many years ago, and I utilize quite frequently, the government schools and the totally, controlled media have dumbed-down the masses-r-asses into believing that government can do whatever it wants - in the (alleged) best interests of the people, therefore, the Constitution should be ignored when government thinks best (better) for the people!
Long live the demokracy!  Note:  Which by the way was abhorred by the Founding Fathers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people, what I call the masses-r-asses, have allowed government to go way beyond the limitations anda restrictions of the Constitution.  As Webster stated many years ago, and I utilize quite frequently, the government schools and the totally, controlled media have dumbed-down the masses-r-asses into believing that government can do whatever it wants &#8211; in the (alleged) best interests of the people, therefore, the Constitution should be ignored when government thinks best (better) for the people!<br />
Long live the demokracy!  Note:  Which by the way was abhorred by the Founding Fathers!</p>
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		<title>By: FELTON WILLIAMSON JR.</title>
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		<dc:creator>FELTON WILLIAMSON JR.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CONSTITUTION may not be obsolete, but the CONSTITUTION’S limiting of the government’s power is generally ignored by our government.   The courts only recognize the constitution when they use it to justify some increase in government power that the &quot;FOUNDING FATHERS&quot; could never have conceived and that cannot pass legislative muster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CONSTITUTION may not be obsolete, but the CONSTITUTION’S limiting of the government’s power is generally ignored by our government.   The courts only recognize the constitution when they use it to justify some increase in government power that the &#8220;FOUNDING FATHERS&#8221; could never have conceived and that cannot pass legislative muster.</p>
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