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		<title>By: Van1941</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in response to the federal govt forcing us to buy these cfl bulbs which are highway robbery prices. Worse yet are the &quot;wonderful&quot;benefits,one being mercury poisoning,the EPA has 3 pages of how to dispose of them,cannot vacuum  if one is broken(pick up with duct tape),open windows and doors,turn off furnace for a long period of time,etc.
 People will dispose of these CFL bulbs just like the old ones.I can see in the future lawsuits for mercury poisoning and unfortunately dead pets. 
  This is one thing the federal government will not control in my home.The last light bulb factory left the U.S.September 2010 and I will give you one guess where they will be made-China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in response to the federal govt forcing us to buy these cfl bulbs which are highway robbery prices. Worse yet are the &#8220;wonderful&#8221;benefits,one being mercury poisoning,the EPA has 3 pages of how to dispose of them,cannot vacuum  if one is broken(pick up with duct tape),open windows and doors,turn off furnace for a long period of time,etc.<br />
 People will dispose of these CFL bulbs just like the old ones.I can see in the future lawsuits for mercury poisoning and unfortunately dead pets.<br />
  This is one thing the federal government will not control in my home.The last light bulb factory left the U.S.September 2010 and I will give you one guess where they will be made-China.</p>
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		<title>By: gmbqsj</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard L. Gordon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is that when my mercury thermometers broke,I mopped up the mercury and moved on with no effect. EPA&#039;s scare warnings about disposal are typical bureaucratic ineptitude. The mandate is still stupid for reasons well stated in the original article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is that when my mercury thermometers broke,I mopped up the mercury and moved on with no effect. EPA&#8217;s scare warnings about disposal are typical bureaucratic ineptitude. The mandate is still stupid for reasons well stated in the original article.</p>
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		<title>By: swapna</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 09:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People forget those really cheap ones from Costco cost about 1.50 each v.s 50 cents for a traditional bulb. I have used then and others and have has great luck over 90 percent have lasted at least 2.5 years. Even a few duds still make the compact ones a cheaper long term deal.
There are a lot of really cheap lamps around with shoddy lamp sockets these could be part of the problem. Also at any warehouse some packages are dropped or manhandled by customers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People forget those really cheap ones from Costco cost about 1.50 each v.s 50 cents for a traditional bulb. I have used then and others and have has great luck over 90 percent have lasted at least 2.5 years. Even a few duds still make the compact ones a cheaper long term deal.<br />
There are a lot of really cheap lamps around with shoddy lamp sockets these could be part of the problem. Also at any warehouse some packages are dropped or manhandled by customers</p>
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		<title>By: Luciana</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use compact florescent bulbs because they actually reduce my utility bill by 30%, not because I’m forced. But in environments that need to be low RFI, where the bulbs can actually screw up the operation of sensors of machinery, incandescent lights might be preferable. What is the point of banning all incandescent lights? I guess our green overlords in Sacramento figure we are all too stupid to figure out the difference between cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate. What better case for going to a part time state legislature than stupid green laws?
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imodernlighting.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Modern Lighting&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use compact florescent bulbs because they actually reduce my utility bill by 30%, not because I’m forced. But in environments that need to be low RFI, where the bulbs can actually screw up the operation of sensors of machinery, incandescent lights might be preferable. What is the point of banning all incandescent lights? I guess our green overlords in Sacramento figure we are all too stupid to figure out the difference between cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate. What better case for going to a part time state legislature than stupid green laws?<br />
<a href="http://www.imodernlighting.com" rel="nofollow"> Modern Lighting</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read all of the comments, so I might be repeating someone. My outdoor (flood) CFLs are a security hazard. They don&#039;t come on so you can see who&#039;s out there. When someone is trying to break in, I like to see who I&#039;m shooting at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read all of the comments, so I might be repeating someone. My outdoor (flood) CFLs are a security hazard. They don&#8217;t come on so you can see who&#8217;s out there. When someone is trying to break in, I like to see who I&#8217;m shooting at.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa Nash</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr. Heising.  Beautifully stated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr. Heising.  Beautifully stated.</p>
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		<title>By: peter in dublin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The taxation alternative

As seen from my earlier comments, I agree that the targeting of ordinary incandescent light bulbs is not justified
(and not warranted as &quot;promoting innovation&quot;, fot the reasons just given, above)

But OK:
Let&#039;s say politicians remain determined about this and other efficiency based bans.
Is there a better way for all concerned?
Sure there is - taxation on products based on efficiency.

Now, noone likes taxes.
But these are taxes that people would accept.
Firstly, since they know - and would be reminded -  that bans are the alternative, 
Secondly, since politicians can give them less sales tax on efficient alternatives.


Taxation is better than bans because:

-- Bans are normally applied to products unsafe to use.
But we are not talking about lead paint here.
The object is simply to reduce energy consumption, like the use of electricity.
Throughout all markets,
taxes, levies, duties are more common and more acceptable than bans to reduce consumption.

-- Taxation allows continued purchase of products or product versions which offer other advantages to
consumers. Energy efficiency isn&#039;t all they want in a product!

-- Like bans, taxation lowers sales.
   Unlike bans, taxation gives direct government income with the lowered sales.

-- Government income can be massive, 
since these are often cheap popular products  that can absorb a large taxation.

Take ordinary incandescent light bulbs:
Much cheaper than the opposition,
high sales (2 billion in USA),
high turnover (relatively short 1000 hour lifespan),
so sales reduction from a 1-2 dollar tax raises future government billions of dollars
- and that is just from light bulbs.

-- Government income can be used to lower energy use and emissions (home energy and insulation
schemes, renewable energy projects etc)   more than remaining product use (like light bulbs)  raises them.

-- Sales taxes on efficient products can be lowered, making them cheaper

-- Taxation is easier than bans to apply without having to worry about product variety and availability,
    easier to adjust, and to adapt to new market conditions with new products,
   and can be lifted when no longer required (such as when electricity emissions are judged to be low enough)

So, while taxation is still wrong for the rerasons given,
if bans are the alternative, a tax is better all round.
For more see http://www.ceolas.net/#gg5x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The taxation alternative</p>
<p>As seen from my earlier comments, I agree that the targeting of ordinary incandescent light bulbs is not justified<br />
(and not warranted as &#8220;promoting innovation&#8221;, fot the reasons just given, above)</p>
<p>But OK:<br />
Let&#8217;s say politicians remain determined about this and other efficiency based bans.<br />
Is there a better way for all concerned?<br />
Sure there is &#8211; taxation on products based on efficiency.</p>
<p>Now, noone likes taxes.<br />
But these are taxes that people would accept.<br />
Firstly, since they know &#8211; and would be reminded &#8211;  that bans are the alternative,<br />
Secondly, since politicians can give them less sales tax on efficient alternatives.</p>
<p>Taxation is better than bans because:</p>
<p>&#8211; Bans are normally applied to products unsafe to use.<br />
But we are not talking about lead paint here.<br />
The object is simply to reduce energy consumption, like the use of electricity.<br />
Throughout all markets,<br />
taxes, levies, duties are more common and more acceptable than bans to reduce consumption.</p>
<p>&#8211; Taxation allows continued purchase of products or product versions which offer other advantages to<br />
consumers. Energy efficiency isn&#8217;t all they want in a product!</p>
<p>&#8211; Like bans, taxation lowers sales.<br />
   Unlike bans, taxation gives direct government income with the lowered sales.</p>
<p>&#8211; Government income can be massive,<br />
since these are often cheap popular products  that can absorb a large taxation.</p>
<p>Take ordinary incandescent light bulbs:<br />
Much cheaper than the opposition,<br />
high sales (2 billion in USA),<br />
high turnover (relatively short 1000 hour lifespan),<br />
so sales reduction from a 1-2 dollar tax raises future government billions of dollars<br />
- and that is just from light bulbs.</p>
<p>&#8211; Government income can be used to lower energy use and emissions (home energy and insulation<br />
schemes, renewable energy projects etc)   more than remaining product use (like light bulbs)  raises them.</p>
<p>&#8211; Sales taxes on efficient products can be lowered, making them cheaper</p>
<p>&#8211; Taxation is easier than bans to apply without having to worry about product variety and availability,<br />
    easier to adjust, and to adapt to new market conditions with new products,<br />
   and can be lifted when no longer required (such as when electricity emissions are judged to be low enough)</p>
<p>So, while taxation is still wrong for the rerasons given,<br />
if bans are the alternative, a tax is better all round.<br />
For more see <a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#gg5x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#gg5x</a></p>
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		<title>By: peter in dublin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Jim Pier

While Steve Heising makes some interesting points,
CFL right-or-wrong doesn&#039;t justify banning the alternatives

(and re mercury,
http://www.ceolas.net/#li198x
deals in depth with why the &quot;coal power emissions are worse&quot; argument doesn&#039;t hold up - including that EPA enforcements and recent new technology implementation means USA is well on track with 90% mercury emission reduction target by 2018 anyway )

Put another way:
Americans (like Europeans) choose to buy ordinary light bulbs around 8 to 9 times out of 10 (depending on light industry data used, 2008-9)
Banning what people want gives the supposed savings - no point in banning an impopular product = little savings!

If new LED lights - or sufficiently efficient incandescents, CFLs etc - are good,
people will buy them - no need to ban ordinary light bulbs (little point).
If they are not good, people will not buy them - no need to ban ordinary light bulbs (no point).
The arrival of the transistor didn’t mean that more energy using radio tubes were banned… they were bought less anyway.

Also see my earlier comment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Jim Pier</p>
<p>While Steve Heising makes some interesting points,<br />
CFL right-or-wrong doesn&#8217;t justify banning the alternatives</p>
<p>(and re mercury,<br />
<a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#li198x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#li198x</a><br />
deals in depth with why the &#8220;coal power emissions are worse&#8221; argument doesn&#8217;t hold up &#8211; including that EPA enforcements and recent new technology implementation means USA is well on track with 90% mercury emission reduction target by 2018 anyway )</p>
<p>Put another way:<br />
Americans (like Europeans) choose to buy ordinary light bulbs around 8 to 9 times out of 10 (depending on light industry data used, 2008-9)<br />
Banning what people want gives the supposed savings &#8211; no point in banning an impopular product = little savings!</p>
<p>If new LED lights &#8211; or sufficiently efficient incandescents, CFLs etc &#8211; are good,<br />
people will buy them &#8211; no need to ban ordinary light bulbs (little point).<br />
If they are not good, people will not buy them &#8211; no need to ban ordinary light bulbs (no point).<br />
The arrival of the transistor didn’t mean that more energy using radio tubes were banned… they were bought less anyway.</p>
<p>Also see my earlier comment&#8230;</p>
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