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]]> By: Indefinite Detention Okayed for Sex Offenders | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-26198 Indefinite Detention Okayed for Sex Offenders | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty Tue, 18 May 2010 12:31:51 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-26198 [...] Timely Classic “The Shame of Medicine: The Depravity of Psychiatry” by Thomas [...] [...] Timely Classic “The Shame of Medicine: The Depravity of Psychiatry” by Thomas [...]

]]> By: Rad Geek People’s Daily 2009-12-03 – Without remorse http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-20040 Rad Geek People’s Daily 2009-12-03 – Without remorse Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:22:23 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-20040 [...] I’d like it, too. Psychiatrists expect to be taken seriously, both as scientific experts and as benevolent caretakers; I think at least a minimal requirement of being taken seriously on these claims would be for them to own up to the fact that within living memory, their discipline was rife with theories now universally regarded as the worst sort of politically-motivated pseudoscience and therapeutic practices now universally reviled as the worst sort of atrocities. They have been wrong about everything and they ruined life after life with the most appalling sorts of brain-damaging treatment on the basis of these pseudoscientific superstitions. If shrinks want to be taken seriously, they need to start by owning up to their record; because if they can’t do so much as that, the rest of us have every reason to expect that they’ve done nothing to correct the systematic vices that led to the ridiculous lies and sadistic horrors they were inflicting as recently as 30-40 years ago. But I don’t expect anything like it to happen this side of the revolution.*. As Szasz says in The Freeman: Ideas On Liberty (July/August 2009): The Shame of Medicine: The Depravity of Psychiatry: [...] [...] I’d like it, too. Psychiatrists expect to be taken seriously, both as scientific experts and as benevolent caretakers; I think at least a minimal requirement of being taken seriously on these claims would be for them to own up to the fact that within living memory, their discipline was rife with theories now universally regarded as the worst sort of politically-motivated pseudoscience and therapeutic practices now universally reviled as the worst sort of atrocities. They have been wrong about everything and they ruined life after life with the most appalling sorts of brain-damaging treatment on the basis of these pseudoscientific superstitions. If shrinks want to be taken seriously, they need to start by owning up to their record; because if they can’t do so much as that, the rest of us have every reason to expect that they’ve done nothing to correct the systematic vices that led to the ridiculous lies and sadistic horrors they were inflicting as recently as 30-40 years ago. But I don’t expect anything like it to happen this side of the revolution.*. As Szasz says in The Freeman: Ideas On Liberty (July/August 2009): The Shame of Medicine: The Depravity of Psychiatry: [...]

]]> By: Frederick Alexander Jones http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-16539 Frederick Alexander Jones Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:08:38 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-16539 THE PSYCHIATRIST AS HIGH PRIEST Bogus psychiatric commitments have always been a very routine matter in the new york state criminal justice system, under CPL 730.50. For the innocent, the legal aid society lawyer, the legal aid society counsel, the legal aid society legal expert (Bruce Thurston), and the legal aid society policy will suborne the very routine and lengthly perjury of a psychiatrist. Of course, such a defendant/respondent will not cooperate. Consequently, his lawyer will begin waiving his client's most important right: the right to public scrutiny of the events that transpire in the court. This, of course, must include an appropriate procedural protection: a contemporaneous recording (audio and visual)of all psychiatric examinations that are relied upon. A complete copy of this recording must be immediately available to the defendant/respondent personally, and whenever such person requests it. It must be the most respected of all federal and state constitutional rights. It is the right to a meaningful guarantee of public scrutiny. Without such a fundamental right, anything can and will occur in the courts within New York State. The court officers almost never have any public persons in their courts, and section 52 of the N.Y.S. Civil Rights Law strictly prohibited all electronic recordings and cameras to the public for many previous decades. Moreover, Judge Judy and the other fakers are not judges. They are arbitrators, and the most serious crimes are almost always tried in completely empty courtroom. The guarantee of public scrutiny has never actually existed in the state of New York. Ergo, any rights deprivation can,and very frequently, does occur. The innocent citizen will not be able to meaningfully challenge the factual determinations upon which the certain baneful psychiatric recommendations and outrageous conclusions will be based. A CPL 730.50 commitment will generate thousands or false documents, and the legal aid lawyer will waive the rights that prohibit them during a criminal or civil jury trial. Landlords will use the massive numbers of venal judges to enter such false documents in housing courts that plainly have no subject-matter jurisdiction. Moreover, the baneful consequences of a lack of public scrutiny seem literally boundless. Contact me if you are single,very young, female, speak German, have red hair and freckles. Otherwise, see my website : liebestadt.com THE PSYCHIATRIST AS HIGH PRIEST
Bogus psychiatric commitments have always been a very routine matter in the new york state criminal justice system, under CPL 730.50. For the innocent, the legal aid society lawyer, the legal aid society counsel, the legal aid society legal expert (Bruce Thurston), and the legal aid society policy will suborne the very routine and lengthly perjury of a psychiatrist. Of course, such a defendant/respondent will not cooperate. Consequently, his lawyer will begin waiving his client’s most important right: the right to public scrutiny of the events that transpire in the court. This, of course, must include an appropriate procedural protection: a contemporaneous recording (audio and visual)of all psychiatric examinations that are relied upon. A complete copy of this recording must be immediately available to the defendant/respondent personally, and whenever such person requests it. It must be the most respected of all federal and state constitutional rights. It is the right to a meaningful guarantee of public scrutiny.
Without such a fundamental right, anything can and will occur in the courts within New York State. The court officers almost never have any public persons in their courts, and section 52 of the N.Y.S. Civil Rights Law strictly prohibited all electronic recordings and cameras to the public for many previous decades. Moreover, Judge Judy and the other fakers are not judges. They are arbitrators, and the most serious crimes are almost always tried in completely empty courtroom. The guarantee of public scrutiny has never actually existed in the state of New York. Ergo, any rights deprivation can,and very frequently, does occur.
The innocent citizen will not be able to meaningfully challenge the factual determinations upon which the certain baneful psychiatric recommendations and outrageous conclusions will be based. A CPL 730.50 commitment will generate thousands or false documents, and the legal aid lawyer will waive the rights that prohibit them during a criminal or civil jury trial.
Landlords will use the massive numbers of venal judges to enter such false documents in housing courts that plainly have no subject-matter jurisdiction.
Moreover, the baneful consequences of a lack of public scrutiny seem literally boundless.
Contact me if you are single,very young, female, speak German, have red hair and freckles. Otherwise, see my website : liebestadt.com

]]> By: Frederick Alexander Jones http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-16538 Frederick Alexander Jones Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:03:15 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-16538 THE PSYCHIATRIST AS HIGH PRIEST Bogus psychistric commitments have always been a very routine matter in the new york state criminal justice system, under CPL 730.50. For the innocent, the legal aid society lawyer, the legal aid society counsel, the legal aid society legal expert (Bruce Thurston), and the legal aid society policy will suborne the very routine and lengthly perjury of a psychiatrist. Of course, such a defendant/respondent will not cooperate. Consequently, his lawyer will begin waiving his most important right: the right to public scrutiny of the events that transpire in the court. This, of course, must include an appropriate procedural protection: a contemporaneous recording (audio and visual)of all psychiatric examinations that are relied upon. A complete copy of this recording must be immediately available to the defendant/respondent personally, and whenever such person requests it. It must be the most respected of all federal and state constitutional rights. It is the right to a meaningful guarantee of public scrutiny. Without such a fundamental right, anything can and will occur in the courts within New York State. The court officers almost never have any public persons in their courts, and section 52 of the N.Y.S. Civil Rights Law strictly prohibited all electronic recordings and cameras to the public for many previous decades. Moreover, Judge Judy and the other fakers are not judges. They are arbitrators, and the most serious crimes are almost always tried in completely empty courtroom. The guarantee of public scrutiny has never actually existed in the state of New York. Ergo, any rights deprivation can,and very frequently, does occur. The innocent citizen will not be able to meaningfully challenge the factual determinations upon which the certain baneful psychiatric recommendations and outrageous conclusions will be based. A CPL 730.50 commitment will generate thousands or false documents, and the legal aid lawyer will waive the rights that prohibit them during a criminal or civil jury trial. Landlords will use the massive numbers of venal judges to enter such false documents in housing courts that plainly have no subject-matter jurisdiction. Moreover, the baneful consequences of a lack of public scrutiny seem literally boundless. Contact me if you are single,very young, female, speak German, have red hair and freckles. Otherwise, see my website : liebestadt.com THE PSYCHIATRIST AS HIGH PRIEST
Bogus psychistric commitments have always been a very routine matter in the new york state criminal justice system, under CPL 730.50. For the innocent, the legal aid society lawyer, the legal aid society counsel, the legal aid society legal expert (Bruce Thurston), and the legal aid society policy will suborne the very routine and lengthly perjury of a psychiatrist. Of course, such a defendant/respondent will not cooperate. Consequently, his lawyer will begin waiving his most important right: the right to public scrutiny of the events that transpire in the court. This, of course, must include an appropriate procedural protection: a contemporaneous recording (audio and visual)of all psychiatric examinations that are relied upon. A complete copy of this recording must be immediately available to the defendant/respondent personally, and whenever such person requests it. It must be the most respected of all federal and state constitutional rights. It is the right to a meaningful guarantee of public scrutiny.
Without such a fundamental right, anything can and will occur in the courts within New York State. The court officers almost never have any public persons in their courts, and section 52 of the N.Y.S. Civil Rights Law strictly prohibited all electronic recordings and cameras to the public for many previous decades. Moreover, Judge Judy and the other fakers are not judges. They are arbitrators, and the most serious crimes are almost always tried in completely empty courtroom. The guarantee of public scrutiny has never actually existed in the state of New York. Ergo, any rights deprivation can,and very frequently, does occur.
The innocent citizen will not be able to meaningfully challenge the factual determinations upon which the certain baneful psychiatric recommendations and outrageous conclusions will be based. A CPL 730.50 commitment will generate thousands or false documents, and the legal aid lawyer will waive the rights that prohibit them during a criminal or civil jury trial.
Landlords will use the massive numbers of venal judges to enter such false documents in housing courts that plainly have no subject-matter jurisdiction.
Moreover, the baneful consequences of a lack of public scrutiny seem literally boundless.
Contact me if you are single,very young, female, speak German, have red hair and freckles. Otherwise, see my website : liebestadt.com

]]> By: Lynn http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-16408 Lynn Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:10:58 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-16408 The larger issue here is one in which the personal can be extrapolated out to the political. I stayed in a frustrating and unsatisfying marriage for 18 years with the "help" of Prozac. Once I finally obtained a divorce, the "need" for Prozac miraculously ended. I have heard the same from numerous friends and acquaintances. How much of Americans' current lack of outrage about the curtailment of our liberties and the ballooning tax and debt burden our government is creating, is due to the prevalence (10-15% of the population) of antidepressant use? Would that 10-15% be the fiery leadership which could spark a revolution if unmedicated? The larger issue here is one in which the personal can be extrapolated out to the political.

I stayed in a frustrating and unsatisfying marriage for 18 years with the “help” of Prozac. Once I finally obtained a divorce, the “need” for Prozac miraculously ended. I have heard the same from numerous friends and acquaintances.

How much of Americans’ current lack of outrage about the curtailment of our liberties and the ballooning tax and debt burden our government is creating, is due to the prevalence (10-15% of the population) of antidepressant use? Would that 10-15% be the fiery leadership which could spark a revolution if unmedicated?

]]> By: Rob http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-16390 Rob Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:44:27 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-16390 15 years ago I exhibited symptoms which the medical and psychiatric community referred to as "depression." They gave me medications which triggered mania, and then diagnosed me as "bipolar." Side-effects from continued medications have me left on disability for 8 years. Yes, this is a mass conspiracy, but you don't need Szasz's legal case studies to make the point necessarily. 10's of millions of people like me are diagnosed, medicated, and mothballed by sedating and fatiguing treatments. We are conveniently left in a purgatory of disability payments (if we're lucky to get them), boredom, and suffering. The drug companies, psychiatrists, and the government are all willing, if unconscious (?) participants, but so too are the "patients," although they are often helpless to resist. I am trying to fight my way out by unwinding myself from the cocktail of meds I'm on right now. People who present "mental health" symptoms do need help in the form of support from family and friends, some kind of goal-oriented therapy, and possibly temporal (not permanent) drug therapy, or other treatments. These "psychotic" symptoms come from some part of ourselves that western medicine has difficulty reaching, and often exacerbate the problem and prevent individuals from completing the "inward journey" through the difficulties and out the other side to fully regained health. Do keep an eye out for psychiatric diagnoses and treatments. I agree with many that we should keep our children, family and friends out of the trap. I know better. I wish I knew better when this whole experience started for me. 15 years ago I exhibited symptoms which the medical and psychiatric community referred to as “depression.” They gave me medications which triggered mania, and then diagnosed me as “bipolar.” Side-effects from continued medications have me left on disability for 8 years.

Yes, this is a mass conspiracy, but you don’t need Szasz’s legal case studies to make the point necessarily. 10′s of millions of people like me are diagnosed, medicated, and mothballed by sedating and fatiguing treatments. We are conveniently left in a purgatory of disability payments (if we’re lucky to get them), boredom, and suffering.

The drug companies, psychiatrists, and the government are all willing, if unconscious (?) participants, but so too are the “patients,” although they are often helpless to resist. I am trying to fight my way out by unwinding myself from the cocktail of meds I’m on right now.

People who present “mental health” symptoms do need help in the form of support from family and friends, some kind of goal-oriented therapy, and possibly temporal (not permanent) drug therapy, or other treatments. These “psychotic” symptoms come from some part of ourselves that western medicine has difficulty reaching, and often exacerbate the problem and prevent individuals from completing the “inward journey” through the difficulties and out the other side to fully regained health.

Do keep an eye out for psychiatric diagnoses and treatments. I agree with many that we should keep our children, family and friends out of the trap. I know better. I wish I knew better when this whole experience started for me.

]]> By: Tracy Alexis http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-14781 Tracy Alexis Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:01:04 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-14781 There are a few lose ends that need tying with respect to this thread of dialogue. Most importantly, there is no such thing as 'mental illness.' What there is (that psychiatrists and psychologists label as mental illenss) are numerous manifestations of unwanted or misunderstood behaviors-the root causes of which are 'professionally' (and I use that term loosely) medicated under the various labels of mental illness. "Therapy" is only, and I stress the word ONLY, truly conducted when physchiatrists and/or psychologists explore the CAUSES of those unwanted or misunderstood behaviors (not mask them with medications). The unwanted and/or misunderstood behaviors that are being medically masked are life-long traumas such as family secrets (molestation perhaps), abuse (parent to child, sibling to sibling, etc.) and collusions (let's not tell anyone just how messed up we are and maybe no one will figure it out), just to name a few. Of course, psychiatrists and psychologists are both guilty of making more and more and more money by billing insurance companies (or Medicaid) as they quickly cycle patients in and out of their offices with a swift diagnosis of mental illness and an RX for a dangerously potent life-altering chemical lobotomy. It takes TIME to explore the underlying causes of trauma. There is no money to be made with spending untold hours of TIME with a patient to discover and understand the real causes underlying his/her traumas. It is much more efficient, for the so-called professional, to get the patient in, slap a label on him/her, give them an RX, usher them out the door and cycle in the next victim for the same quick treatment. What is so blatantly egregious is that Americans have allowed themselves to be so misled for so long by so many so-called 'professionals.' If you are not angry about this, you should be as it is eroding our country from the inside and from the youngest members (our future leaders)! Parents are supposed to protect their children, not offer them up for slaughter. There are a few lose ends that need tying with respect to this thread of dialogue. Most importantly, there is no such thing as ‘mental illness.’ What there is (that psychiatrists and psychologists label as mental illenss) are numerous manifestations of unwanted or misunderstood behaviors-the root causes of which are ‘professionally’ (and I use that term loosely) medicated under the various labels of mental illness. “Therapy” is only, and I stress the word ONLY, truly conducted when physchiatrists and/or psychologists explore the CAUSES of those unwanted or misunderstood behaviors (not mask them with medications). The unwanted and/or misunderstood behaviors that are being medically masked are life-long traumas such as family secrets (molestation perhaps), abuse (parent to child, sibling to sibling, etc.) and collusions (let’s not tell anyone just how messed up we are and maybe no one will figure it out), just to name a few. Of course, psychiatrists and psychologists are both guilty of making more and more and more money by billing insurance companies (or Medicaid) as they quickly cycle patients in and out of their offices with a swift diagnosis of mental illness and an RX for a dangerously potent life-altering chemical lobotomy. It takes TIME to explore the underlying causes of trauma. There is no money to be made with spending untold hours of TIME with a patient to discover and understand the real causes underlying his/her traumas. It is much more efficient, for the so-called professional, to get the patient in, slap a label on him/her, give them an RX, usher them out the door and cycle in the next victim for the same quick treatment. What is so blatantly egregious is that Americans have allowed themselves to be so misled for so long by so many so-called ‘professionals.’ If you are not angry about this, you should be as it is eroding our country from the inside and from the youngest members (our future leaders)! Parents are supposed to protect their children, not offer them up for slaughter.

]]> By: Sunita http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-14623 Sunita Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:52:47 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-14623 America has become a dangerous country for her own citizens namely our children. Thanks for speaking up and sounding the alarm though I suspect it is going to get worse. I and my children almost became victims of psychiatric-pimps and the "drug-lords". America has become a dangerous country for her own citizens namely our children. Thanks for speaking up and sounding the alarm though I suspect it is going to get worse. I and my children almost became victims of psychiatric-pimps and the “drug-lords”.

]]> By: Tracy Alexis http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/the-therapeutic-state/the-shame-of-medicine-the-depravity-of-psychiatry/comment-page-1/#comment-14563 Tracy Alexis Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:56:27 +0000 http://www.thefreemanonline.org/?p=9729#comment-14563 Loretta: Thank you for the Nemeroff and Goodwin info. Yes, the implicit meaning of my post is that the depth and breadth of this so called problem is unfathomable by the public at large. Kids and adults are dying daily from taking these atypical antipsychotic medications/cocktails. Blatantly, Big Pharma is behind it...it has so much to gain monetarily and so little to lose - especially with no real oversight from FDA. Chemical lobotomy anyone??? Prescribers can and will serve one up a nice chemical cocktail for you if you just tell them you are depressed...and many, like Nemeroff and Goodwin, will gain kick-backs from the pharmaceutical companies for the Rx, and then be asked to speak/present at professional conferences. Wake Up America...You say you want a different and better economy...get out of your chemically induced coma and see it for what it is! If Congress had all of the profits from big pharmaceutical companies, we would NOT have a national deficit! Ah, but I mix universes of discourse (only because they ARE inextricably intertwined). Loretta:

Thank you for the Nemeroff and Goodwin info. Yes, the implicit meaning of my post is that the depth and breadth of this so called problem is unfathomable by the public at large. Kids and adults are dying daily from taking these atypical antipsychotic medications/cocktails. Blatantly, Big Pharma is behind it…it has so much to gain monetarily and so little to lose – especially with no real oversight from FDA. Chemical lobotomy anyone??? Prescribers can and will serve one up a nice chemical cocktail for you if you just tell them you are depressed…and many, like Nemeroff and Goodwin, will gain kick-backs from the pharmaceutical companies for the Rx, and then be asked to speak/present at professional conferences. Wake Up America…You say you want a different and better economy…get out of your chemically induced coma and see it for what it is! If Congress had all of the profits from big pharmaceutical companies, we would NOT have a national deficit! Ah, but I mix universes of discourse (only because they ARE inextricably intertwined).

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