“Nigga Joe” basically said to take care of yourself, independent from all drugs and from all bureaucrats.

“Nigga Joe” should have the last word, so please re-read what he had written.

Am not a regular member of this site, so don’t be surprised that this answer came several months late.

One thing, it’s noticeable that instead of answering directly anything I’d said, you went on into a babbling tirade about several different things all at once. Many a Denial-Of-Service email-attack also attacks through the mass of many words (in the form of emails). Were those words that you threw at me simply a bunch of Talking-Points or something similar, Aaron?

Seems that you’re the one going into a “hissy” fit, notice how you ramble. If you make such a long post, than at least divide it up into paragraphs — don’t ramble the way you do, because it sounds like you are babbling, and like also you’re having a “hissy fit”.

If you haven’t noticed, probably nobody is trying to sound more “educated” than they really are. They are most likely trying to honestly communicate.

Please don’t complain that I just used an Ad Hominem — when now, you yourself are very guilty of using such tactics, Ad Hominems.

As for the “homeless” problem, it is an obvious red herring that you threw. They can remain in institutional homes, if nothing better can be available for them; but they should not be tortured through the treatments of false psychiatry — and false psychiatry is either the majority or perhaps even the totality of psychiatry!

While you might find it offensive for me to “throw up” any of Szasz’s words, I’ll paraphrase Szasz anyway: Szasz NEVER approved of throwing some of the mental hospitals’ victims out on their ear! He simply wanted them to have homes, BUT ALSO HAVE FREEDOM ALONG WITH THEIR HOMES!

(Also, I find it offensive that you would accuse us who oppose the quackery of psychiatry of wanting to cause great suffering to anybody, including the homeless. Keep your false accusation to yourself!)

Your reference to “a sane reaction to an insane society” does not sound like Szasz’s typical words; it sounds like you’re paraphrasing somebody else. Szasz does not focus on any alleged or apparent collective sickness of society nearly as much as he focuses upon the individual and their responsibilities and potentials for both good and bad. You should at least keep your Talking-Points straight!

No, I did not see Michael Moore’s “Sicko”. Moore is a filthy toad, and don’t you dare accuse me of watching any of his repulsive propaganda movies.

The way you used the phrase “human problem” sounds like the word “human” is a contemptuous word in your vocabulary. In my vocabulary, “human” is not a contemptuous word.

Oh, one last thing, sir: how do you know the real state of another’s mind or intentions? Are you a telepath or something? If you are, then, wonderful — I’ve never met a real, live mind-reader with real psychic powers! Sounds like YOU’RE the real “pretentious ass”!

Aaron, I\’m a daughter of a psychiatrist. I don\’t see my parent as a \"scientist\" but as an apparatschik of an increasingly socialistic state.

(By the way, many psychiatric treatments, including many \"modern\" treatments, are known to damage the human brain — and sometimes the brains get so damaged that they do shrink in size! How do you think that psychiatrists have collectively managed to acquire such derisive names as \"shrinks\" and \"headshrinkers\"?!)

By the way, I\’ve NEVER heard any of us so-called \"pretentious asses\" (your words, sir) accuse you self-described mental patients of taking your psychiatric drugs \"for fun\" (also your words)!

As for the word \"vulnerable\", is it such a crime to use that word — especially when you like to call us heretics a bunch of \"pretentious asses\"?! Geez!

And in response to a different person:

To Boetica (who had posted on 1 May 2009): ICK!! You should listen to what both Lynn and Ryan have said about molesters, you slippery, oily E.-Fuller-Torrey sympathizer! Lynn and Ryan both write honest, intelligent answers to your slippery red-herring comment about molesters. Listen to Lynn and Ryan!

The issue is responsibility. \"Mental illness\" is an abdication by society, of responsibility for organized criminal justice. It is also an abdication by the individual, of responsibility for choosing his/her own actions.

Psychiatry thus represents the gravest threat to both social cohesion and individual autonomy.

Should one be locked up, the key thrown away, and placed in a government database based on mere testimony of a child?

Should an 18-year-old be locked up and the key thrown away for having consensual sex with someone of age 17? 16? 15? 14?

And what will we do with all those pesky religions that cling to traditional practice and marry off girls as young as 12? Put \’em behind bars?

The presence of arbitrary legal standards does not have any bearing on right and wrong. The libertarian system does not \"break down\" as you claim. If the child is pursued against his will or forcibly entered, it is molestation. If the child is pursued on the parents\’ property, it is trespassing. If the parents wish to protect the child from being deceived into going home with a stranger or school employee, they should give him the tools he needs to be able to deal with strangers and school employees on his way to, from, and through government-mandated public school.

The pedophile may be a grotesque person, but that doesn\’t mean she belongs in prison at taxpayer expense, injuring everyone on an ongoing basis. Nor does it mean that government should be building databases which inevitably ensnare people who are no threat to anyone. Instead, let everyone judge her and deal with her appropriately through their own freedom of assocation. Exclusion from social groups and economic opportunities is a strong incentive to reform one\’s behavior.