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		<title>By: new york giants</title>
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		<dc:creator>new york giants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d name your blog the dreamland! While Santa scrapes from the doorway just once each year, a person weblog is open the whole year D amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d name your blog the dreamland! While Santa scrapes from the doorway just once each year, a person weblog is open the whole year D amazing!</p>
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		<title>By: bukkiv</title>
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		<dc:creator>bukkiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is amazing i want to do it</description>
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		<title>By: My Homepage</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Homepage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vicki Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Mr. Henderson, (Scottish Clan Henderson), hasn&#039;t really had to do without, and is more than likely beyond just thrifty. Charity is the giving of something of significance without the expectation of anything in return.  When one pay&#039;s taxes, they would reasonably expect something in return. Roads, schools, fire protection, etc. When I pay my taxes I hope they will go towards all those things which will make peoples lives better. Even to an economics professor at a school of higher ed-u-ma-ca-tion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Mr. Henderson, (Scottish Clan Henderson), hasn&#8217;t really had to do without, and is more than likely beyond just thrifty. Charity is the giving of something of significance without the expectation of anything in return.  When one pay&#8217;s taxes, they would reasonably expect something in return. Roads, schools, fire protection, etc. When I pay my taxes I hope they will go towards all those things which will make peoples lives better. Even to an economics professor at a school of higher ed-u-ma-ca-tion.</p>
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		<title>By: mhicken</title>
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		<dc:creator>mhicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come these altruistic wealthy are calling for a higher tax which would then go on to support the poor?  Do they not realize that you can always give more than the required tax?  There is no law limiting how much you give to the government.  If they want to contribute more to these programs because they feel they are working then they should go right ahead and do so.  There just so happens to be a lot of people who don&#039;t think these programs are the most effective way of helping the poor so let them choose to be charitable in their own way.

Namior, your comparison is rather flawed.  It is not coercion for a representative to be elected who the minority didn&#039;t vote for.  It only becomes coercion when that representative under the thought of following the majority&#039;s will (which I seriously doubt is the case when it comes to increasing taxes) enacts a law that requires all to pay a larger amount of their money to fund programs that no one in their right mind thinks is working effectively.

Also, why is it that when anyone opposes these government programs they are automatically labeled a hater of the poor and, using the author&#039;s point, a &quot;Scrooge&quot;?  I know many people who oppose these programs who give privately a proportionately larger amount to charity than most of these wealthy folks calling for higher taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come these altruistic wealthy are calling for a higher tax which would then go on to support the poor?  Do they not realize that you can always give more than the required tax?  There is no law limiting how much you give to the government.  If they want to contribute more to these programs because they feel they are working then they should go right ahead and do so.  There just so happens to be a lot of people who don&#8217;t think these programs are the most effective way of helping the poor so let them choose to be charitable in their own way.</p>
<p>Namior, your comparison is rather flawed.  It is not coercion for a representative to be elected who the minority didn&#8217;t vote for.  It only becomes coercion when that representative under the thought of following the majority&#8217;s will (which I seriously doubt is the case when it comes to increasing taxes) enacts a law that requires all to pay a larger amount of their money to fund programs that no one in their right mind thinks is working effectively.</p>
<p>Also, why is it that when anyone opposes these government programs they are automatically labeled a hater of the poor and, using the author&#8217;s point, a &#8220;Scrooge&#8221;?  I know many people who oppose these programs who give privately a proportionately larger amount to charity than most of these wealthy folks calling for higher taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: commonsense</title>
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		<dc:creator>commonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a person who supports taxes on himself for a government program can be altruistic - if they do not perceive any direct or indirect benefit from the policy yet they pay taxes.  In the economics of altruism, the welfare of others enters your own utility function. (In fact the taxes that others pay might also enter the individuals utility function and they may make the trade off that the utility of the poor is valued higher than the disutility of the rich.) You can object to this, but it will basically be on the grounds that things like altruism and compassion don&#039;t exist in a classical economic framework.

From another perspective, publicly provided health care for the poor is a service that provides many externality benefits.  It keeps epidemics from spreading, it reduces long run spending for public services, and provides a social safety net (you still benefit from having insurance even if you don&#039;t make a claim.)  So the usual economic argument goes that as a non-excludable public good, you need coercive taxes to fund it to combat the free riders who would benefit but not pay.

So is public financed health care &quot;compassionate&quot;.  Is enlightened self interest &quot;compassionate&quot;? I am sure that some support public health care out of compassion for the unfortunate circumstances of the sick poor, and not due to the cost benefit calculus.  To deny that people act this way misses much of people&#039;s motivation.  Perhaps this is why classical economics does such a poor job of explained people&#039;s behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a person who supports taxes on himself for a government program can be altruistic &#8211; if they do not perceive any direct or indirect benefit from the policy yet they pay taxes.  In the economics of altruism, the welfare of others enters your own utility function. (In fact the taxes that others pay might also enter the individuals utility function and they may make the trade off that the utility of the poor is valued higher than the disutility of the rich.) You can object to this, but it will basically be on the grounds that things like altruism and compassion don&#8217;t exist in a classical economic framework.</p>
<p>From another perspective, publicly provided health care for the poor is a service that provides many externality benefits.  It keeps epidemics from spreading, it reduces long run spending for public services, and provides a social safety net (you still benefit from having insurance even if you don&#8217;t make a claim.)  So the usual economic argument goes that as a non-excludable public good, you need coercive taxes to fund it to combat the free riders who would benefit but not pay.</p>
<p>So is public financed health care &#8220;compassionate&#8221;.  Is enlightened self interest &#8220;compassionate&#8221;? I am sure that some support public health care out of compassion for the unfortunate circumstances of the sick poor, and not due to the cost benefit calculus.  To deny that people act this way misses much of people&#8217;s motivation.  Perhaps this is why classical economics does such a poor job of explained people&#8217;s behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: DWAnderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWAnderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Namior falls prey to the fallacy of composition. Indeed, that is what the whole piece is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Namior falls prey to the fallacy of composition. Indeed, that is what the whole piece is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob AG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your point is a stretch.  Dickens&#039; point is more that we should make provision for the destitute than that we should do so in any particular way.  He doesn&#039;t want to repeal the Poor Act or close the workhouses, you know.  The fact that the men want Scrooge to contribute privately is incidental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your point is a stretch.  Dickens&#8217; point is more that we should make provision for the destitute than that we should do so in any particular way.  He doesn&#8217;t want to repeal the Poor Act or close the workhouses, you know.  The fact that the men want Scrooge to contribute privately is incidental.</p>
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		<title>By: Namior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Namior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a straw man argument. The whole argument is based on the difference between individuals and the collectivity. In this model, the President is named by &#039;coercing&#039; the 49% of people who did not vote for him to accept him. In other words, every collective choice thus involve &#039;coercion&#039; for the minority which opposes it. It&#039;s ridiculous. Collectively, the choice to raise taxes to help the hospital can be compassionate. It doesn&#039;t mean individual A or B are compassionate. It means that as a collectivity we are compassionate. OF course, that (very simple) distinction is completely lost on the author. With that distinction, the whole article becomes meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a straw man argument. The whole argument is based on the difference between individuals and the collectivity. In this model, the President is named by &#8216;coercing&#8217; the 49% of people who did not vote for him to accept him. In other words, every collective choice thus involve &#8216;coercion&#8217; for the minority which opposes it. It&#8217;s ridiculous. Collectively, the choice to raise taxes to help the hospital can be compassionate. It doesn&#8217;t mean individual A or B are compassionate. It means that as a collectivity we are compassionate. OF course, that (very simple) distinction is completely lost on the author. With that distinction, the whole article becomes meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: jb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All taxes should be optional. Why can&#039;t people see how well everything would work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All taxes should be optional. Why can&#8217;t people see how well everything would work?</p>
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