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		<title>By: Peg G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peg G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 07:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am tired of paying for people who have no health insurance and then become ill, go to the hospital,  and we all end up paying the bill in higher hospital and medical costs. If someone has no auto insurance and has an accident would we all pay that bill?  We may not have an accident with our car, but at some point we all get sick. There must be a way to make insurance affordable. With everyone covered the insurance companies would no doubt make even more profit than the incredible amounts they already make, and the rest of us would benefit from lower health costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tired of paying for people who have no health insurance and then become ill, go to the hospital,  and we all end up paying the bill in higher hospital and medical costs. If someone has no auto insurance and has an accident would we all pay that bill?  We may not have an accident with our car, but at some point we all get sick. There must be a way to make insurance affordable. With everyone covered the insurance companies would no doubt make even more profit than the incredible amounts they already make, and the rest of us would benefit from lower health costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Marh Hodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marh Hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 00:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so right!</description>
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		<title>By: Amy C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fire, police, and national security services are different went envolving mandating health care. Insurance should be a choice, that&#039;s not trying to protect the people, that&#039;s the people&#039;s right on what they chose to protect themselves with.  Police up hold the law that inclines for the people&#039;s protection, as well as fire departments, and national security services.  Purchasing insurance for your own health should be your choice, not forced upon you.  If it became a law, it would harm the economy as a whole.  We already have things that are mandated in terms of where we choose to spend out money.  It&#039;s taken out of our checks every time we recieve one.  Such programs as welfare, food stamps, etc. takes hold of part of our compensations now, more added to it would hurt a lot of hard working citizens.  Not everyone makes a $1000 a day.  The rich are for it due to the fact they have no worries, but what about the lower working class?  Where do they stand? Where is their voice?  The Constitution states that we all have the rights to speech and press, yet the one&#039;s who it will effect the most, wich is the majority of the United States, is the working lower class.  If it is passed, and penalties are intacted, how many homeless do you expect to come from it?  How many unfed children?  How many will lose what they have worked so hard to maintain?  The rich is a small group, but hold the most power it seems, because they only classify to what their needs are, and what will help their pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fire, police, and national security services are different went envolving mandating health care. Insurance should be a choice, that&#8217;s not trying to protect the people, that&#8217;s the people&#8217;s right on what they chose to protect themselves with.  Police up hold the law that inclines for the people&#8217;s protection, as well as fire departments, and national security services.  Purchasing insurance for your own health should be your choice, not forced upon you.  If it became a law, it would harm the economy as a whole.  We already have things that are mandated in terms of where we choose to spend out money.  It&#8217;s taken out of our checks every time we recieve one.  Such programs as welfare, food stamps, etc. takes hold of part of our compensations now, more added to it would hurt a lot of hard working citizens.  Not everyone makes a $1000 a day.  The rich are for it due to the fact they have no worries, but what about the lower working class?  Where do they stand? Where is their voice?  The Constitution states that we all have the rights to speech and press, yet the one&#8217;s who it will effect the most, wich is the majority of the United States, is the working lower class.  If it is passed, and penalties are intacted, how many homeless do you expect to come from it?  How many unfed children?  How many will lose what they have worked so hard to maintain?  The rich is a small group, but hold the most power it seems, because they only classify to what their needs are, and what will help their pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote &quot;we are then dependent upon His proclamation of right and wrong to discern the rights of the individual. Apart from such an endowment, there are no rights!&quot; So I suppose if God endowed less rights upon one person than he did upon another, there is nothing to be done? A slave has no ground to argue for his freedom according to your reasoning.

&quot;However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.&quot; (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote &#8220;we are then dependent upon His proclamation of right and wrong to discern the rights of the individual. Apart from such an endowment, there are no rights!&#8221; So I suppose if God endowed less rights upon one person than he did upon another, there is nothing to be done? A slave has no ground to argue for his freedom according to your reasoning.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.&#8221; (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)</p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
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		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is kind of an opinion more than a fact...

would you make same arguments for fire and police services? Read &quot;Don&#039;t think of an elephant&quot; it&#039;s a great book.

If you believe govt has a role in protecting people, then why is healthcare any different than police, fire, national security services that we all get?

Yes gov&#039;t has to focus where to take resources from and where to place them in order to provide services. 

Taxcuts for HUGE corps make no sense because if the point many make, that CORPS will STOP doing business because they&#039;re making a lower percentage of profit, is an assumption.

If you made a 1000 bucks a day, and all of a sudden you made 900/day due to a change in policies, would you quit your job? I think not because you&#039;re still making a good amount.

At the end of the day it&#039;s the fundamental belief that differs our views. Does gov&#039;t have a responsibility to people&#039;s well being or do we want a system where the rich survive better than the poor?

For me, I know i won&#039;t probably see my Social Security, and all the taxes I pay, but I pay them. Because I am thinking about the country as a whole, not just myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kind of an opinion more than a fact&#8230;</p>
<p>would you make same arguments for fire and police services? Read &#8220;Don&#8217;t think of an elephant&#8221; it&#8217;s a great book.</p>
<p>If you believe govt has a role in protecting people, then why is healthcare any different than police, fire, national security services that we all get?</p>
<p>Yes gov&#8217;t has to focus where to take resources from and where to place them in order to provide services. </p>
<p>Taxcuts for HUGE corps make no sense because if the point many make, that CORPS will STOP doing business because they&#8217;re making a lower percentage of profit, is an assumption.</p>
<p>If you made a 1000 bucks a day, and all of a sudden you made 900/day due to a change in policies, would you quit your job? I think not because you&#8217;re still making a good amount.</p>
<p>At the end of the day it&#8217;s the fundamental belief that differs our views. Does gov&#8217;t have a responsibility to people&#8217;s well being or do we want a system where the rich survive better than the poor?</p>
<p>For me, I know i won&#8217;t probably see my Social Security, and all the taxes I pay, but I pay them. Because I am thinking about the country as a whole, not just myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Deonet Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deonet Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, people.  Let&#039;s even put religion aside and look at our nation&#039;s founding principles and documents.  There is NO authority in the Constitution, or even state constitutions, permitting the government or giving it the right to FORCE all of us join or participate in ANY government funded or private retirement, health, or insurance plan.  Such things are blatantly unconstitutional and COMMUNIST.  Per federal law in the USC and multiple Supreme Court decisions, anyone who receives or expects to receive any even partially federally funded benefit is not a sovereign Citizen, but is relegated to chattel property and franchise of the United States. ( I think one decision that stated this blatantly was Wheeling Steel v. Fox)  Once you participate in Social Security or apply for any government benefit, you are a SLAVE and PROPERTY to the government.  Protection draws subjection! OMG! Wake up, people.  Our public servants are supposed to be our employees, but they have passed laws and legal precedents turning us into nothing more than enumerated cattle in their barn yards.  Look at the B.S. eminent domain stuff going on.  Do you like being taxed to pay for a divorced and remarried mom&#039;s &#039;head of household&#039; and &#039;child tax credits&quot;?!  Do we really own anything if the government can take everything we have away based on the suspicion of &#039;terrorist connections&#039; or simply being unable to pay taxes?  Do you enjoy being taxed out of your property and homes by being FORCED through &quot;property taxes&quot; to pay to put the whore down the street&#039;s multiple kids by different daddies and the illegal immigrants kids through school?!  Don&#039;t you just love paying taxes to put kids through public school when you are paying to put your own through private school or maybe don&#039;t even have kids!?!  Our government is not granted the power and authority to become our daddies (look up the whole parens patriae doctrine and the parens patronus doctrines and claims by government) and demand that we enter into contracts with them or anyone else.  Our government is NOT given be the people or the Constitution that the servants have sworn to uphold as supreme law the right to become an insurance company or a ever demanding charity pot.  Charity and caring for the widowed, homeless, fatherless, ill, weak, and poor is the responsibility of each of us as individuals and of the churches.  
I barely make enough to feed my family and keep a roof over our heads.  I don&#039;t have enough money for even a dinner out once a month. I pay cash for what I need.  I don&#039;t have credit cards or any desire to get loans.  I don&#039;t believe it is right to steal from your pockets and your children&#039;s dinner plates to fund my life or my family&#039;s.  I do not use the food banks or get any kind of charity from anyone - nor do I want it.  I can work and so I do to provide what we need.  If there is a major health crisis, like my son&#039;s being bitten by a rattlesnake a year ago, I try to work things out with the hospital as long as they are reasonable in what they charge.  (They weren&#039;t.  138k just for &#039;pharmacy&#039; was absolutely extortionate.  If my son had been a dog, it would have only cost me about 3k total for the exact same care.) The health care crisis in this country is caused by a greedy patent office, FDA, pharmaceutical industry, physicians, and the companies that pad their pockets.  I had skin cancer and treated it successfully myself with an old herbal remedy.  You can&#039;t buy the stuff as a whole tincture in the states because it worked and the medical industry screamed to the FDA.  The FDA forbids anyone to promote any natural herb or product as having any health benefits and through the Codex Alimentarius seeks to make illegal herbal supplements in favor of the pharmaceutical industry that is poisoning us.  Heck, the FDA can and does do &quot;drug busts&quot; and imprisons people for buying vitamins in Canada.  
Unless we wake up, put our government back in its place, and reinstitute personal responsibility and common sense into all levels of our government and our lives, we will continue to loose our God-given Rights and Freedoms that our soldiers have died to protect over two centuries and become more and more socio-communist slaves to the KGB-Feds-Nazis sitting at all levels of &#039;public service&#039;.  How many of you remember that Beetles song?  &quot;What we need is a .....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, people.  Let&#8217;s even put religion aside and look at our nation&#8217;s founding principles and documents.  There is NO authority in the Constitution, or even state constitutions, permitting the government or giving it the right to FORCE all of us join or participate in ANY government funded or private retirement, health, or insurance plan.  Such things are blatantly unconstitutional and COMMUNIST.  Per federal law in the USC and multiple Supreme Court decisions, anyone who receives or expects to receive any even partially federally funded benefit is not a sovereign Citizen, but is relegated to chattel property and franchise of the United States. ( I think one decision that stated this blatantly was Wheeling Steel v. Fox)  Once you participate in Social Security or apply for any government benefit, you are a SLAVE and PROPERTY to the government.  Protection draws subjection! OMG! Wake up, people.  Our public servants are supposed to be our employees, but they have passed laws and legal precedents turning us into nothing more than enumerated cattle in their barn yards.  Look at the B.S. eminent domain stuff going on.  Do you like being taxed to pay for a divorced and remarried mom&#8217;s &#8216;head of household&#8217; and &#8216;child tax credits&#8221;?!  Do we really own anything if the government can take everything we have away based on the suspicion of &#8216;terrorist connections&#8217; or simply being unable to pay taxes?  Do you enjoy being taxed out of your property and homes by being FORCED through &#8220;property taxes&#8221; to pay to put the whore down the street&#8217;s multiple kids by different daddies and the illegal immigrants kids through school?!  Don&#8217;t you just love paying taxes to put kids through public school when you are paying to put your own through private school or maybe don&#8217;t even have kids!?!  Our government is not granted the power and authority to become our daddies (look up the whole parens patriae doctrine and the parens patronus doctrines and claims by government) and demand that we enter into contracts with them or anyone else.  Our government is NOT given be the people or the Constitution that the servants have sworn to uphold as supreme law the right to become an insurance company or a ever demanding charity pot.  Charity and caring for the widowed, homeless, fatherless, ill, weak, and poor is the responsibility of each of us as individuals and of the churches.<br />
I barely make enough to feed my family and keep a roof over our heads.  I don&#8217;t have enough money for even a dinner out once a month. I pay cash for what I need.  I don&#8217;t have credit cards or any desire to get loans.  I don&#8217;t believe it is right to steal from your pockets and your children&#8217;s dinner plates to fund my life or my family&#8217;s.  I do not use the food banks or get any kind of charity from anyone &#8211; nor do I want it.  I can work and so I do to provide what we need.  If there is a major health crisis, like my son&#8217;s being bitten by a rattlesnake a year ago, I try to work things out with the hospital as long as they are reasonable in what they charge.  (They weren&#8217;t.  138k just for &#8216;pharmacy&#8217; was absolutely extortionate.  If my son had been a dog, it would have only cost me about 3k total for the exact same care.) The health care crisis in this country is caused by a greedy patent office, FDA, pharmaceutical industry, physicians, and the companies that pad their pockets.  I had skin cancer and treated it successfully myself with an old herbal remedy.  You can&#8217;t buy the stuff as a whole tincture in the states because it worked and the medical industry screamed to the FDA.  The FDA forbids anyone to promote any natural herb or product as having any health benefits and through the Codex Alimentarius seeks to make illegal herbal supplements in favor of the pharmaceutical industry that is poisoning us.  Heck, the FDA can and does do &#8220;drug busts&#8221; and imprisons people for buying vitamins in Canada.<br />
Unless we wake up, put our government back in its place, and reinstitute personal responsibility and common sense into all levels of our government and our lives, we will continue to loose our God-given Rights and Freedoms that our soldiers have died to protect over two centuries and become more and more socio-communist slaves to the KGB-Feds-Nazis sitting at all levels of &#8216;public service&#8217;.  How many of you remember that Beetles song?  &#8220;What we need is a &#8230;..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These crooks need to learn a lesson. What we need to do is ban together and seek to recall these Senators who are pushing this unconstitutional health care tax on all of us. We need to show those that think they’re in power that the power rests with the people and that those who would abuse their seat will be held accountable. Anyone interested in working with me on this please contact me at dgleads@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These crooks need to learn a lesson. What we need to do is ban together and seek to recall these Senators who are pushing this unconstitutional health care tax on all of us. We need to show those that think they’re in power that the power rests with the people and that those who would abuse their seat will be held accountable. Anyone interested in working with me on this please contact me at <a href="mailto:dgleads@yahoo.com">dgleads@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I &quot;figured,&quot;  real thinkers here?   Jefferson and Madison, are they vomiting in their graves? Leveraged economic servitude of the American people to corporations, WTF!  The identity of corporations protected while people die?  Sounds a lot like Kings and serfs.

Stop government&#039;s protection of corporations which kill you and I.  if you let them!!  This matter has nothing to do with &quot;GOD&quot; except to the extent GOD would allow the meek to be rendered servile and subservient to corporate scum!   Same old song add dance............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I &#8220;figured,&#8221;  real thinkers here?   Jefferson and Madison, are they vomiting in their graves? Leveraged economic servitude of the American people to corporations, WTF!  The identity of corporations protected while people die?  Sounds a lot like Kings and serfs.</p>
<p>Stop government&#8217;s protection of corporations which kill you and I.  if you let them!!  This matter has nothing to do with &#8220;GOD&#8221; except to the extent GOD would allow the meek to be rendered servile and subservient to corporate scum!   Same old song add dance&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Randall Evans Sr. on 12 September 2009:

&quot;stop the goverment health care.&quot;

Hey how about stopping &quot;corporate servitude?&quot;   Yes... servitude to health insurance corporations like Blue Cross Blue Shield with 501 c3 tax exempt status actually considered a public charity for state tax law and Public Charity Law?  What an Joke?  Talking about charity....... what is charitable about Blue Cross Blue Shield?  

Hey Mr Evans, how about government protecting &quot;rights&quot; opposed  to lining the pocket of corporate scum who buy politicians and concoct law designed to rip the taxpayer/citizen off?  While your so worried about the &quot;GOVERNMENT,&quot;  which did not spell correct, &quot;CORPORATIONS&quot; are distending your derriere wider than any proctologist&#039;s over sized thumb!  Lets be concerned about the government, while corporations kill us!!

I wonder what Jefferson or Madison would say to a &quot;Life Tax?&quot;  A tax imposed because one fails to &quot;enter into a contract&quot; with a &quot;tax exempt&quot; of &quot;for-profit&quot;  insurance corporations which practices discrimination under the color of law?

When the agent of change and the protector of rights is compromised by the corporate interests, more concerned with profit than &quot;life&quot; itself.  Life and Liberty subject to the dictate&#039;s of Corporate America via law bought and paid for by campaign contributions to lawmakers is not, representation, due process  or equal protection under the law.  It is servitude to powerful finance/insurance corporations gaming the system gutting America in the lust for leveraged endless profit as Jefferson and Madison feared.  The enemy form within, leverage economic servitude under the color of law!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Randall Evans Sr. on 12 September 2009:</p>
<p>&#8220;stop the goverment health care.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey how about stopping &#8220;corporate servitude?&#8221;   Yes&#8230; servitude to health insurance corporations like Blue Cross Blue Shield with 501 c3 tax exempt status actually considered a public charity for state tax law and Public Charity Law?  What an Joke?  Talking about charity&#8230;&#8230;. what is charitable about Blue Cross Blue Shield?  </p>
<p>Hey Mr Evans, how about government protecting &#8220;rights&#8221; opposed  to lining the pocket of corporate scum who buy politicians and concoct law designed to rip the taxpayer/citizen off?  While your so worried about the &#8220;GOVERNMENT,&#8221;  which did not spell correct, &#8220;CORPORATIONS&#8221; are distending your derriere wider than any proctologist&#8217;s over sized thumb!  Lets be concerned about the government, while corporations kill us!!</p>
<p>I wonder what Jefferson or Madison would say to a &#8220;Life Tax?&#8221;  A tax imposed because one fails to &#8220;enter into a contract&#8221; with a &#8220;tax exempt&#8221; of &#8220;for-profit&#8221;  insurance corporations which practices discrimination under the color of law?</p>
<p>When the agent of change and the protector of rights is compromised by the corporate interests, more concerned with profit than &#8220;life&#8221; itself.  Life and Liberty subject to the dictate&#8217;s of Corporate America via law bought and paid for by campaign contributions to lawmakers is not, representation, due process  or equal protection under the law.  It is servitude to powerful finance/insurance corporations gaming the system gutting America in the lust for leveraged endless profit as Jefferson and Madison feared.  The enemy form within, leverage economic servitude under the color of law!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is sincerely the best I have read on the issue of why we should unabashedly oppose universal health care coverage. Thank you for laying out the facts with clarity. God bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is sincerely the best I have read on the issue of why we should unabashedly oppose universal health care coverage. Thank you for laying out the facts with clarity. God bless you!</p>
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