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		<title>By: 40ag.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When It Comes to Economics…Here&#8217;s Why Government Stimulus Does Not Work &#8211; The AtlanticMust We Live in Long-Term Recession? &#8211; The FreemanThe Poverty of Stimulus &#8211; Project [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kent Lalley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Lalley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;State interference in economic life, which calls itself economic policy, has done nothing but destroy economic life. Prohibitions and regulations have by their general obstructive tendency fostered the growth of the spirit of wastefulness.&quot; - Ludwig von Mises, Greatest Economist of the Twentieth Century</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;State interference in economic life, which calls itself economic policy, has done nothing but destroy economic life. Prohibitions and regulations have by their general obstructive tendency fostered the growth of the spirit of wastefulness.&#8221; &#8211; Ludwig von Mises, Greatest Economist of the Twentieth Century</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Virnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Virnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many on the verge of discovering the beauty of anarchism (voluntaryism, market anarchism, anarcho-capitalism, or whatever you wish to call it). You&#039;ve gone so far and realized that government is the cause of, and not the solution to, all of our problems. Why can&#039;t you take that last little step and realize that all government is inherently evil, no matter how small it is? If it steals to fund itself (which all governments must do, or they would not be governments), or it tells any peaceful individual what they can or cannot do, than it is evil and must be abolished completely. A voluntary society of individuals who respect the self-ownership and property rights of all other individuals will flourish and prosper unlike any society in history. Let go of your attachment to authority and institutionalized force. There is a better way. It&#039;s not that hard to imagine. It&#039;s worth the effort. Free your minds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many on the verge of discovering the beauty of anarchism (voluntaryism, market anarchism, anarcho-capitalism, or whatever you wish to call it). You&#8217;ve gone so far and realized that government is the cause of, and not the solution to, all of our problems. Why can&#8217;t you take that last little step and realize that all government is inherently evil, no matter how small it is? If it steals to fund itself (which all governments must do, or they would not be governments), or it tells any peaceful individual what they can or cannot do, than it is evil and must be abolished completely. A voluntary society of individuals who respect the self-ownership and property rights of all other individuals will flourish and prosper unlike any society in history. Let go of your attachment to authority and institutionalized force. There is a better way. It&#8217;s not that hard to imagine. It&#8217;s worth the effort. Free your minds!</p>
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		<title>By: donald dietrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>donald dietrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>republican,democrat,it doesnt matter.two wings of the same bird.devide and concor is the motto.nomatter who you vote for,government still gets in.we are brainwashed in this country and it makes me sick.how about using our brains,and instead of backing a party,how bout backing the constitution and the bill of rights!?our government is a joke,and the whole world is laughing.presidents,parties,and policies,that we hold so dear are only temperary at best.why bother getting all emotional about politics at all?the republicans will try to erase what the dems do and vice versa.as the present is ever changing, so will the future ever change.we will never be able to relax in a system that works because when we do,there will be no need for government.government is like an untrustworthy mechanic.breaking something that works fine,just so he can charge(you)to to fix it and make everything all right.unfortunately theres only two mechanics in town and there both as bad as each other.i could rant on and on,but its making me angry.my advice to everyone...pay off all your debts,get off the grid if you can,and never ever watch the propaganda machine we call news.at best its opinion with no solutions.war on drugs,war on terror,and the war on us and every democraticly elected government in the world that has natural resourses are our targets.dont let anyone you know join the military either. thanks for your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>republican,democrat,it doesnt matter.two wings of the same bird.devide and concor is the motto.nomatter who you vote for,government still gets in.we are brainwashed in this country and it makes me sick.how about using our brains,and instead of backing a party,how bout backing the constitution and the bill of rights!?our government is a joke,and the whole world is laughing.presidents,parties,and policies,that we hold so dear are only temperary at best.why bother getting all emotional about politics at all?the republicans will try to erase what the dems do and vice versa.as the present is ever changing, so will the future ever change.we will never be able to relax in a system that works because when we do,there will be no need for government.government is like an untrustworthy mechanic.breaking something that works fine,just so he can charge(you)to to fix it and make everything all right.unfortunately theres only two mechanics in town and there both as bad as each other.i could rant on and on,but its making me angry.my advice to everyone&#8230;pay off all your debts,get off the grid if you can,and never ever watch the propaganda machine we call news.at best its opinion with no solutions.war on drugs,war on terror,and the war on us and every democraticly elected government in the world that has natural resourses are our targets.dont let anyone you know join the military either. thanks for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidus Romanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidus Romanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the R&#039;s or the D&#039;s.  It&#039;s the fact that our money is controlled by the Federal Reserve.  If we could use anything we wanted as a medium of exchange, do you think anyone would choose (worthless) Federal Reserve Notes?  Of course not.  Only unconstitutional legal tender laws force us to use them.  If gold, silver, or whatever people wanted to use (oil,rice,whatever) could be used as money, the gov&#039;t could not inflate away the value of our money. This is the root of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the R&#8217;s or the D&#8217;s.  It&#8217;s the fact that our money is controlled by the Federal Reserve.  If we could use anything we wanted as a medium of exchange, do you think anyone would choose (worthless) Federal Reserve Notes?  Of course not.  Only unconstitutional legal tender laws force us to use them.  If gold, silver, or whatever people wanted to use (oil,rice,whatever) could be used as money, the gov&#8217;t could not inflate away the value of our money. This is the root of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Bachsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bachsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m right on the verge of giving up altogether on the R&#039;s.  Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin are crying loudly that the R&#039;s are our only last, best hope to stop the Progressive slide.  Well we&#039;ve been in that slide ever since FDR---WITH THE R&#039;S HELPING PUSH US DOWN THAT SLIDE!!  There are NO REAL conservative Republicans anymore (MAYBE Ron Paul.)  Let me say that again for Rush, Sean and Mark: THERE ARE NO REAL CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS anymore.  Scott Brown is a prime example.  Glenn Beck said it best when he said, &quot;Democrats tax-and-spend while Republicans just SPEND!&quot;  All I see is each side wanting to SPEND in their own way.

We don&#039;t need 2 sides battling over which side has the &quot;more righteous&quot; way to spend our wealth.  We need a MAJORITY that repeats the mantra, &quot;IT ISN&#039;T THE GOVERNMENT&#039;S TO SPEND---ON ANYTHING!!!&quot;

I don&#039;t want Representatives who are going to pride themselves on slowing down growth or even stopping a few programs.  I want Representatives who will go there with the goal to begin DISMANTLING ALL CURRENT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS!!  We need to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ALL Unions (NEA, AFL-CIO, UAW, ALL OF THEM), the MINIMUM WAGE, ALL cabinet positions other than Secretary of State, and on and on.  We need to go back to the absolute bare minimum government allowed by the Constitution and start over.

We need to go back to a hard currency monetary standard like gold again so no one---not even the Fed---can &quot;bless&quot; the dollar with a value.  It IS WHAT IT IS; LIVE WITHIN IT!!!

We need to get rid of any and all taxes on wealth generation like Income and corporate and investment and capital gains and ...  Instead we should be taxing [if anything at all] wealth consumption.  That would spur savings, investment and EARNING wealth while curbing wasteful spending, laziness, inactivity or creating babies just for revenue.  That would also do away with the entire IRS monstrosity.

The problem is, as soon as you allow government to bless, favor, give special consideration, etc. to ANY industry, group of people, corporation, organization, whatever, you have just planted economic &quot;cancer cells&quot; and they WILL GROW (as they have for 50 years.)  And that&#039;s where I part with Republicans.  They want to dismantle Democrat/Progressive programs but just suggest they get rid of their own and see how &quot;conservative&quot; they really are.

We keep hearing , &quot;Don&#039;t split the party or the Democrats will win again!&quot;  Well to that I say I am one centimeter away from voting for the most liberal candidates I can find for at least the foreseeable future anyway.  And here&#039;s my reasoning.

I learned one way to train a dog to stop chewing up things is to shove the item in their face and yell at them loudly so it hurts their hears.  Do that often enough and loud enough and they will learn to avoid that item at all costs.  They will run away from that item.  I saw the same thing with a friend teaching his 2-year-old not to touch an electrical outlet.  The kid (typically) touched it anyway and got zapped.  The parent, watching carefully so the kid wouldn&#039;t really be hurt, then suggested the kid touch it again.  He even picked the kid up and leaned toward the outlet.  The kid, having finally learned how much it hurt, wanted NOTHING to do with anymore outlets.

Now, as I see it, the American public, including almost ALL Republicans, have no idea how much pain they are causing.  (Hey, it&#039;s only a few billion here and there and the &quot;rich&quot; can afford it anyway, right?)  It needs to be made real to them so they learn to avoid it as if their lives depended on it.  So if we all vote Liberal for the next couple elections and CRAM IT DOWN THEIR THROATS, then maybe the Republicans will go back to being REAL conservatives again and the Liberals won&#039;t be quite so &quot;Progressive&quot;.  Who cares if we get into another [or WORSE] depression.  The snotty-nosed, spoiled little brat-children in this country need to experience EXACTLY what they are asking for.  Let&#039;s give them the Krugman/Keynesian &quot;dream&quot; until Krugman admits he&#039;s a MORON and finally admits, Keynes was a SOCIALIST IDIOT!!

So I say SPLIT the party.  Vote for a Liberal.  Until the Republicans PROVE they&#039;re ready to fight the tide and go the other direction, they DESERVE to lose---AGAIN!!  Scott Brown and John McCain are living proof they haven&#039;t learned yet.  So lets teach &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m right on the verge of giving up altogether on the R&#8217;s.  Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin are crying loudly that the R&#8217;s are our only last, best hope to stop the Progressive slide.  Well we&#8217;ve been in that slide ever since FDR&#8212;WITH THE R&#8217;S HELPING PUSH US DOWN THAT SLIDE!!  There are NO REAL conservative Republicans anymore (MAYBE Ron Paul.)  Let me say that again for Rush, Sean and Mark: THERE ARE NO REAL CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS anymore.  Scott Brown is a prime example.  Glenn Beck said it best when he said, &#8220;Democrats tax-and-spend while Republicans just SPEND!&#8221;  All I see is each side wanting to SPEND in their own way.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need 2 sides battling over which side has the &#8220;more righteous&#8221; way to spend our wealth.  We need a MAJORITY that repeats the mantra, &#8220;IT ISN&#8217;T THE GOVERNMENT&#8217;S TO SPEND&#8212;ON ANYTHING!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want Representatives who are going to pride themselves on slowing down growth or even stopping a few programs.  I want Representatives who will go there with the goal to begin DISMANTLING ALL CURRENT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS!!  We need to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ALL Unions (NEA, AFL-CIO, UAW, ALL OF THEM), the MINIMUM WAGE, ALL cabinet positions other than Secretary of State, and on and on.  We need to go back to the absolute bare minimum government allowed by the Constitution and start over.</p>
<p>We need to go back to a hard currency monetary standard like gold again so no one&#8212;not even the Fed&#8212;can &#8220;bless&#8221; the dollar with a value.  It IS WHAT IT IS; LIVE WITHIN IT!!!</p>
<p>We need to get rid of any and all taxes on wealth generation like Income and corporate and investment and capital gains and &#8230;  Instead we should be taxing [if anything at all] wealth consumption.  That would spur savings, investment and EARNING wealth while curbing wasteful spending, laziness, inactivity or creating babies just for revenue.  That would also do away with the entire IRS monstrosity.</p>
<p>The problem is, as soon as you allow government to bless, favor, give special consideration, etc. to ANY industry, group of people, corporation, organization, whatever, you have just planted economic &#8220;cancer cells&#8221; and they WILL GROW (as they have for 50 years.)  And that&#8217;s where I part with Republicans.  They want to dismantle Democrat/Progressive programs but just suggest they get rid of their own and see how &#8220;conservative&#8221; they really are.</p>
<p>We keep hearing , &#8220;Don&#8217;t split the party or the Democrats will win again!&#8221;  Well to that I say I am one centimeter away from voting for the most liberal candidates I can find for at least the foreseeable future anyway.  And here&#8217;s my reasoning.</p>
<p>I learned one way to train a dog to stop chewing up things is to shove the item in their face and yell at them loudly so it hurts their hears.  Do that often enough and loud enough and they will learn to avoid that item at all costs.  They will run away from that item.  I saw the same thing with a friend teaching his 2-year-old not to touch an electrical outlet.  The kid (typically) touched it anyway and got zapped.  The parent, watching carefully so the kid wouldn&#8217;t really be hurt, then suggested the kid touch it again.  He even picked the kid up and leaned toward the outlet.  The kid, having finally learned how much it hurt, wanted NOTHING to do with anymore outlets.</p>
<p>Now, as I see it, the American public, including almost ALL Republicans, have no idea how much pain they are causing.  (Hey, it&#8217;s only a few billion here and there and the &#8220;rich&#8221; can afford it anyway, right?)  It needs to be made real to them so they learn to avoid it as if their lives depended on it.  So if we all vote Liberal for the next couple elections and CRAM IT DOWN THEIR THROATS, then maybe the Republicans will go back to being REAL conservatives again and the Liberals won&#8217;t be quite so &#8220;Progressive&#8221;.  Who cares if we get into another [or WORSE] depression.  The snotty-nosed, spoiled little brat-children in this country need to experience EXACTLY what they are asking for.  Let&#8217;s give them the Krugman/Keynesian &#8220;dream&#8221; until Krugman admits he&#8217;s a MORON and finally admits, Keynes was a SOCIALIST IDIOT!!</p>
<p>So I say SPLIT the party.  Vote for a Liberal.  Until the Republicans PROVE they&#8217;re ready to fight the tide and go the other direction, they DESERVE to lose&#8212;AGAIN!!  Scott Brown and John McCain are living proof they haven&#8217;t learned yet.  So lets teach &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Peri Worrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peri Worrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not hopeful about the Rs. It was not long ago the Rs (under W) were jacking up the deficit with alacrity. Now they are trying to whip up their &quot;base&quot; with anti-immigrant propaganda. Shame on them! And what a sad day for us and our children. Our great-grandchildren might experience freedom and prosperity after the current international regime implodes from the weight of its debts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not hopeful about the Rs. It was not long ago the Rs (under W) were jacking up the deficit with alacrity. Now they are trying to whip up their &#8220;base&#8221; with anti-immigrant propaganda. Shame on them! And what a sad day for us and our children. Our great-grandchildren might experience freedom and prosperity after the current international regime implodes from the weight of its debts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as economic education is almost non-existent in this country, it is difficult to see how the snake-oil salesmen won&#039;t prevail.

We may get lucky, however.  Even the economically challenged are beginning to see how far over the top this administration and Congress are currently.  November may bring a blood-bath down on the Dems. 

Will the Repubs. be up to the challenge?  Only time will tell - but this could be their last chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as economic education is almost non-existent in this country, it is difficult to see how the snake-oil salesmen won&#8217;t prevail.</p>
<p>We may get lucky, however.  Even the economically challenged are beginning to see how far over the top this administration and Congress are currently.  November may bring a blood-bath down on the Dems. </p>
<p>Will the Repubs. be up to the challenge?  Only time will tell &#8211; but this could be their last chance.</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
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		<dc:creator>mds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Ron Paul wins at CPAC with a large youth contingent, there&#039;s hope.  With thinkers and writers such as Anderson carrying on in the classical liberal tradition, there&#039;s hope.  As long as the Internet remains open and free, these messages are reaching ever more people such as myself who are changed.  We haven&#039;t yet reached critical numbers.  Unfortunately I doubt we will even by 2012.  It&#039;s looking more and more like it&#039;s going to take even more pain to wake many up, or to make them accept what they already know, i.e. that our  welfare-warfare system could never work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Ron Paul wins at CPAC with a large youth contingent, there&#8217;s hope.  With thinkers and writers such as Anderson carrying on in the classical liberal tradition, there&#8217;s hope.  As long as the Internet remains open and free, these messages are reaching ever more people such as myself who are changed.  We haven&#8217;t yet reached critical numbers.  Unfortunately I doubt we will even by 2012.  It&#8217;s looking more and more like it&#8217;s going to take even more pain to wake many up, or to make them accept what they already know, i.e. that our  welfare-warfare system could never work.</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacLennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don MacLennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  The way of the free market sparked by the billions to trillions of individual interactions best explained by Hayak and anticapitated by Mises and others is difficult to explain.  Easy to understand is a few people &quot;doing something&quot; (even though that doesn&#039;t work).  The good news that more and more individuals do understand and that in time, not next year, civilization will take another path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  The way of the free market sparked by the billions to trillions of individual interactions best explained by Hayak and anticapitated by Mises and others is difficult to explain.  Easy to understand is a few people &#8220;doing something&#8221; (even though that doesn&#8217;t work).  The good news that more and more individuals do understand and that in time, not next year, civilization will take another path.</p>
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