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		<title>By: Bill Would Encourage Foreigners To Buy U.S. Homes &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Would Encourage Foreigners To Buy U.S. Homes &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Madison Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/ideas-and-consequences-the-immigration-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-27344</link>
		<dc:creator>James Madison Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 21:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand this was written in 1994, I do not understand the inability of Mr. Reed, Ms. Akers, Mr. Boudreaux and others that write for the Freeman to understand the difference between “immigrants” and “illegal aliens?”  At some point it would be nice if one of these authors could take the time to explain this disability because it appears to be an intentional effort to confuse and elude.  

I appreciate that Mr. Reed thinks that Professor Simon’s is the definitive work on immigration but cherry picking a single author and declaring the opposition’s stance a demolished fallacy using an all inclusive “Appeal to Authority” fallacy only reinforces the sense of deception.  At some point it would be nice to read a pro-illegal-alien manifesto that didn’t default to these kinds of tactics.

Offering that any immigration is good immigration is as absurd as offering that any house guest is a good house guest.  Mr. Reed laments that the “government” could have declined Constantine’s appeal to become a citizen but seems to forget that in a Democratic Republic that “We the People” are the government.  I find it every bit as offensive that he thinks people should be able to enter this country uninvited as he does that someone he invites might be asked to leave.  What if Constantine had been Jeffrey Dahmer revisited rather than the well adjusted citizen he turned out to be?  

I would point out that Mr. Reed was able to spend time with Constantine before he invited him into his home rather than allowing Constantine to stay after he walked in uninvited.  I am curious how long Mr. Reed would have allowed his well valued friend to stay if his first contact with Constantine was coming home to find him standing in his living room rather than spending time with him and being given the chance to evaluate his guest prior to giving him access to his property and family?    If Mr. Reed expects the right to determine who enters his home why should he expect anything less when it comes to our right to determine who enters the country?  It seems like the height of arrogance to suggest his rights trump everyone else’s.  Of course the purpose of law is to determine where his rights end and mine begin, but he doesn’t like those partiulcar laws ergo his indignation at the potential that his friend might not have been granted citizenship.  

We are mutual owners of a shared property called “The United States of America.”  Just as in any shared property I have as much right to determine who occupies the land as he does.  If we shared a home and he tried to rent a bedroom to some guy I found unsavory I have the legal authority as co-owner to veto the rental.

In the case of his anecdote about Constantine, I might initially agree to have him as a house guest but reserve the right to evict him any time I saw fit as is my right as co-owner.  I am under no obligation whatsoever to allow him to stay just because I initially agreed to a temporary occupancy.  

The failure of Randian/Objectivist thinking is that it deifies personal property while dismissing national property when the two concepts are inseparable.  The original acquisition of land in 49 of the 50 states was made by the government in the form of money and/or blood (the exception being Hawaii which was annexed by request).  The land was divided into parcels that were purchased and developed over time.  Any deed is valid based on the authority of the USA.  An usurping government is under no objective obligation to recognize these claim.  In other words your rights are only as strong as the government that protects them.  

As proof I would point out that Mexico seized hundred of homes in Baja and other areas after they passed an ex post facto law that retroactively made it illegal for non-citizens to own property within 20 miles of the coast.  Hundreds of US citizens found themselves sans property with the stroke of a pen.

It would be refreshing if, at some point, one of these authors could address the topic objectively.  This constant appeal to emotion is exhausting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand this was written in 1994, I do not understand the inability of Mr. Reed, Ms. Akers, Mr. Boudreaux and others that write for the Freeman to understand the difference between “immigrants” and “illegal aliens?”  At some point it would be nice if one of these authors could take the time to explain this disability because it appears to be an intentional effort to confuse and elude.  </p>
<p>I appreciate that Mr. Reed thinks that Professor Simon’s is the definitive work on immigration but cherry picking a single author and declaring the opposition’s stance a demolished fallacy using an all inclusive “Appeal to Authority” fallacy only reinforces the sense of deception.  At some point it would be nice to read a pro-illegal-alien manifesto that didn’t default to these kinds of tactics.</p>
<p>Offering that any immigration is good immigration is as absurd as offering that any house guest is a good house guest.  Mr. Reed laments that the “government” could have declined Constantine’s appeal to become a citizen but seems to forget that in a Democratic Republic that “We the People” are the government.  I find it every bit as offensive that he thinks people should be able to enter this country uninvited as he does that someone he invites might be asked to leave.  What if Constantine had been Jeffrey Dahmer revisited rather than the well adjusted citizen he turned out to be?  </p>
<p>I would point out that Mr. Reed was able to spend time with Constantine before he invited him into his home rather than allowing Constantine to stay after he walked in uninvited.  I am curious how long Mr. Reed would have allowed his well valued friend to stay if his first contact with Constantine was coming home to find him standing in his living room rather than spending time with him and being given the chance to evaluate his guest prior to giving him access to his property and family?    If Mr. Reed expects the right to determine who enters his home why should he expect anything less when it comes to our right to determine who enters the country?  It seems like the height of arrogance to suggest his rights trump everyone else’s.  Of course the purpose of law is to determine where his rights end and mine begin, but he doesn’t like those partiulcar laws ergo his indignation at the potential that his friend might not have been granted citizenship.  </p>
<p>We are mutual owners of a shared property called “The United States of America.”  Just as in any shared property I have as much right to determine who occupies the land as he does.  If we shared a home and he tried to rent a bedroom to some guy I found unsavory I have the legal authority as co-owner to veto the rental.</p>
<p>In the case of his anecdote about Constantine, I might initially agree to have him as a house guest but reserve the right to evict him any time I saw fit as is my right as co-owner.  I am under no obligation whatsoever to allow him to stay just because I initially agreed to a temporary occupancy.  </p>
<p>The failure of Randian/Objectivist thinking is that it deifies personal property while dismissing national property when the two concepts are inseparable.  The original acquisition of land in 49 of the 50 states was made by the government in the form of money and/or blood (the exception being Hawaii which was annexed by request).  The land was divided into parcels that were purchased and developed over time.  Any deed is valid based on the authority of the USA.  An usurping government is under no objective obligation to recognize these claim.  In other words your rights are only as strong as the government that protects them.  </p>
<p>As proof I would point out that Mexico seized hundred of homes in Baja and other areas after they passed an ex post facto law that retroactively made it illegal for non-citizens to own property within 20 miles of the coast.  Hundreds of US citizens found themselves sans property with the stroke of a pen.</p>
<p>It would be refreshing if, at some point, one of these authors could address the topic objectively.  This constant appeal to emotion is exhausting.</p>
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		<title>By: Drik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 15:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is defining the wrong problem.  There is no immigration problem.  The problem is the welfare state problem, that anyone who sneaks into the country becoames entitled to tap into a vast network of &quot;free&quot; services and stuff, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Our founders did not mention this in the Constitution because it would never have occurred to them that &quot;provide for the general welfare&quot;  would be construed as putting everyone on welfare.  Welfare is a coined word and had no meaning in terms of a payout of cash and benefits from the government.  That definition was invented by the government.
Without the anchor babies, another alien concept, the health and wealthcare, there is no immigration problem and we would be able to welcome workers from anywhere all the time.  But not automatic citizens and entitled recipients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is defining the wrong problem.  There is no immigration problem.  The problem is the welfare state problem, that anyone who sneaks into the country becoames entitled to tap into a vast network of &#8220;free&#8221; services and stuff, courtesy of the American taxpayer.<br />
Our founders did not mention this in the Constitution because it would never have occurred to them that &#8220;provide for the general welfare&#8221;  would be construed as putting everyone on welfare.  Welfare is a coined word and had no meaning in terms of a payout of cash and benefits from the government.  That definition was invented by the government.<br />
Without the anchor babies, another alien concept, the health and wealthcare, there is no immigration problem and we would be able to welcome workers from anywhere all the time.  But not automatic citizens and entitled recipients.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelton Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelton Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 14:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Roman Empire fell because it was an unsustainable system, as all empires are.  Immigration had nothing to do with it, though Rome did try to limit immigration to preserve the privileges to those bestowed citizenship.  The hoardes of barbarians that threatened the empire were either reacting to being conquered or lining-up for free bread and circuses, similarities to today:  freedom to immigrate does not destroy a nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Roman Empire fell because it was an unsustainable system, as all empires are.  Immigration had nothing to do with it, though Rome did try to limit immigration to preserve the privileges to those bestowed citizenship.  The hoardes of barbarians that threatened the empire were either reacting to being conquered or lining-up for free bread and circuses, similarities to today:  freedom to immigrate does not destroy a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Arizona’s Latinos Worried about New Law &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arizona’s Latinos Worried about New Law &#124; The Freeman &#124; Ideas On Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 12:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Timely Classic &#8220;The Immigration Problem&#8221; by Lawrence W. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do, too, believe that the socialized government is the problem and should be fixed first.  However, have you ever studied the fall of the Roman Empire?  A key factor to the decline was an influx of immigrants.  The freebie government we currently have only enhances/rewards the less competitive.  Shouldn&#039;t the solution be resolved based on what is currently happening and then let us focus on getting back to a free market society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do, too, believe that the socialized government is the problem and should be fixed first.  However, have you ever studied the fall of the Roman Empire?  A key factor to the decline was an influx of immigrants.  The freebie government we currently have only enhances/rewards the less competitive.  Shouldn&#8217;t the solution be resolved based on what is currently happening and then let us focus on getting back to a free market society?</p>
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		<title>By: Iva Bothova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iva Bothova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Reed,
I would like to ask your consent on possible citing this article in a friend&#039;s diploma thesis.

Best regards
Iva Bothova</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Reed,<br />
I would like to ask your consent on possible citing this article in a friend&#8217;s diploma thesis.</p>
<p>Best regards<br />
Iva Bothova</p>
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