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		<title>By: caleb c</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/anything-peaceful/going-broke/comment-page-1/#comment-28528</link>
		<dc:creator>caleb c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot one other way people can &quot;have&quot;. They can be &quot;given&quot; as is the case with inheritance or gifts. Maybe this could somehow be covered by &quot;trade&quot; but It&#039;s probably a stretch. It&#039;s probably this expectation that gets programmed in as a child (that things are free) and this continues in the mind of the typical liberal late into life - It is obviously more appealing to him (easier/less risk) than the idea that he has to create value himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot one other way people can &#8220;have&#8221;. They can be &#8220;given&#8221; as is the case with inheritance or gifts. Maybe this could somehow be covered by &#8220;trade&#8221; but It&#8217;s probably a stretch. It&#8217;s probably this expectation that gets programmed in as a child (that things are free) and this continues in the mind of the typical liberal late into life &#8211; It is obviously more appealing to him (easier/less risk) than the idea that he has to create value himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Caleb.  Bastiat would have been proud !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Caleb.  Bastiat would have been proud !</p>
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		<title>By: ToddStro</title>
		<link>http://www.thefreemanonline.org/anything-peaceful/going-broke/comment-page-1/#comment-22506</link>
		<dc:creator>ToddStro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome comment Caleb C.</description>
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		<title>By: Rocco Stanzione</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocco Stanzione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic commentary Caleb.  What could I possibly add?</description>
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		<title>By: caleb c</title>
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		<dc:creator>caleb c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the left paints these moral pictures of &quot;doesn&#039;t everyone deserve X&quot; or &quot;Shouldn&#039;t everyone be able to afford Y&quot;, most folks hear it and think- &quot;Yeah I guess it would be nice if everyone could afford healthcare, sure.. whatever.&quot; 
This is extremely dangerous thinking. It hides a heinous crime behind the cover of false compassion.

This constant notion from the left that someone can &quot;deserve&quot; the work of another person, is another way of saying they can &quot;take&quot; the work or property of one to give to another. It&#039;s not charity if your resources are taken without your consent. If I steal your wallet and give the contents to the RedCross is that not still theft? Obama is selling the same plan here. Theft for a &quot;good cause&quot; apparently isn&#039;t theft in his eyes.

The left has never understood the simple concept of TRADE. The simple truth that nothing produced by the work of humans is free. It inherently has cost; the time it took to make it, the resources used, the opportunities lost while producing it, etc. To think that just because things exist, that they should be free is the looter&#039;s (or Marx&#039;s) mentality. (or Obama&#039;s in this case.) It&#039;s a logical fallacy- not a moral issue. It undermines how the very resources supposedly &quot;deserved&quot; came to exist in the first place.

What does it mean for one to sit alone in the middle of the desert and deserve water? It means nothing. 
What Obama is selling in his quote above is theft, plain and simple. It&#039;s Obamanomics 101; take from the rich and give to the poor so the poor will vote for you. It is the opposite of encouraging a healthy productive society. It encourages taking, not making. If we don&#039;t start focusing on making, there won&#039;t be anything left for the &quot;deserving&quot; to take from those who produce. You can deserve a new car all you want, it doesn&#039;t make one exist, nor does it convince a seller who paid for one that he should give it to you without being compensated.

To &quot;have&quot; in this world you can make, trade, or steal. These are the only 3 options. Obama, like a lot of modern Americans is unfamiliar with the first option, The second is hard, so he jumps right to the third; theft. It&#039;s much easier to deserve (steal through taxation) a college education than it is to work two jobs to pay for one. It&#039;s much easier to convince people that they &quot;deserve&quot; something than to convince them that they should have to work and trade for it.

I am sick of the fundamentally flawed thinking that the left and even much of the right is based on. We need to go back to a few first principles. Man is free. Man is productive. Man owns himself and the products of his labor and is free to trade with others. The rule of law exists to keep theft from discouraging human creativity(making) and trade. (murder is theft of a life) Then theft is the central function of law, we have lost our way entirely.

Caleb C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the left paints these moral pictures of &#8220;doesn&#8217;t everyone deserve X&#8221; or &#8220;Shouldn&#8217;t everyone be able to afford Y&#8221;, most folks hear it and think- &#8220;Yeah I guess it would be nice if everyone could afford healthcare, sure.. whatever.&#8221;<br />
This is extremely dangerous thinking. It hides a heinous crime behind the cover of false compassion.</p>
<p>This constant notion from the left that someone can &#8220;deserve&#8221; the work of another person, is another way of saying they can &#8220;take&#8221; the work or property of one to give to another. It&#8217;s not charity if your resources are taken without your consent. If I steal your wallet and give the contents to the RedCross is that not still theft? Obama is selling the same plan here. Theft for a &#8220;good cause&#8221; apparently isn&#8217;t theft in his eyes.</p>
<p>The left has never understood the simple concept of TRADE. The simple truth that nothing produced by the work of humans is free. It inherently has cost; the time it took to make it, the resources used, the opportunities lost while producing it, etc. To think that just because things exist, that they should be free is the looter&#8217;s (or Marx&#8217;s) mentality. (or Obama&#8217;s in this case.) It&#8217;s a logical fallacy- not a moral issue. It undermines how the very resources supposedly &#8220;deserved&#8221; came to exist in the first place.</p>
<p>What does it mean for one to sit alone in the middle of the desert and deserve water? It means nothing.<br />
What Obama is selling in his quote above is theft, plain and simple. It&#8217;s Obamanomics 101; take from the rich and give to the poor so the poor will vote for you. It is the opposite of encouraging a healthy productive society. It encourages taking, not making. If we don&#8217;t start focusing on making, there won&#8217;t be anything left for the &#8220;deserving&#8221; to take from those who produce. You can deserve a new car all you want, it doesn&#8217;t make one exist, nor does it convince a seller who paid for one that he should give it to you without being compensated.</p>
<p>To &#8220;have&#8221; in this world you can make, trade, or steal. These are the only 3 options. Obama, like a lot of modern Americans is unfamiliar with the first option, The second is hard, so he jumps right to the third; theft. It&#8217;s much easier to deserve (steal through taxation) a college education than it is to work two jobs to pay for one. It&#8217;s much easier to convince people that they &#8220;deserve&#8221; something than to convince them that they should have to work and trade for it.</p>
<p>I am sick of the fundamentally flawed thinking that the left and even much of the right is based on. We need to go back to a few first principles. Man is free. Man is productive. Man owns himself and the products of his labor and is free to trade with others. The rule of law exists to keep theft from discouraging human creativity(making) and trade. (murder is theft of a life) Then theft is the central function of law, we have lost our way entirely.</p>
<p>Caleb C</p>
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		<title>By: Eric H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve reached a new low--attending college is as a random an unforeseeable an event as being stricken with cancer.</description>
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